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I located the Starter Circuit Cutoff Relay - it's to the left of the coolant tank, behind the inner cover. Pretty much right where you said it'd be. Damn, you're good! I removed it, located the blue/yellow and light green terminals on the plug and marked that on the relay (terminals) and set my VOM meter to OhmX10 and ............... And I got nothing - the needle didn't move even when I reversed the leads. So that means..................time for a new relay? Or I did the test wrong? I double checked to make sure I had the correct terminals & I'd bet your life I got them right. And since it seems to be a sealed, plug & play type unit - there's no replacing diodes. I located one at BikeBandit - it's not horrible price-wise about $47. Although I'm not so sure about their diagram labeling being correct. I hooked eveything back up and she starts the same as always - with the clutch in. I await further instructions.
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Ok, OK, I see it! If you tilt your head and squint your eyes and stare at it................nevermind, it was just a bug on my screen.
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But not much of a redhead. If there's one thing I know, I know carrot-tops. I made 2 of them and my oldest granddaughter is also blessed. FYI - I'll be monitoring this site for ANY degratory comments made towards those of us with superior hair color genetics. And good job keeping the bike upright and bringing it to a safe ending. 2 attaboys for that! :happy65:
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If the pictures were better, I could probably tell you what it is. Send me original digital pics so I can enlarge them. red@simpsontaxidermy.com
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Alrighty then - I'll see if I can find it & then test it when I have some time. That won't be for a little while, tho. Thanks again Goose, for all the brain energy you've expended so far. I'll save the information on testing the relay and get back to you when I have some results.
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Thanks, Randy. My bike is a 2000. But I have no idea where to find a wiring a diagram, other than the one that's in my Clymer manual. I'm not sure that would suffice. The switches do not seem to be the problem - there is a new side stand switch, clutch switch & ignition switch. And the problem remains - gotta be something else. Well............PROBABLY something else. Monty - You are correct and my fear was incorrect. As long as it's on the side stand, the engine kills as soon as it gets dropped into gear - even with the clutch lever held in by my nifty leather strap.
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WOW, I think I burned out a diode in my brain just reading all this. You do seem to understand the problem. (I was afraid I would not be able to explain it adequately) Now - where on the bike would I find the Starter cut-off relay? Are the diodes separate from the relay (like an in-line fuse) or an integral part of the relay itself? In other words, do I replace the relay if it's bad or do I have to track down this malcontent diode somewhere in the speghetti of the electrical system?
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I made a simple, albeit not ideal, solution to my problem. By attaching a leather loop to the clutch lever, I can pull in the clutch, put the leather loop around the handgrip and it will hold in the clutch and the bike will run while on the sidestand. I can then help my wife zip up her chaps and allwo th ebike to warm up. However, since the clutch is pulled in, if something (or someone) hit the gear shift, the bike would take off. Like I said, hardly an ideal solution. Plus, when something is not working correctly, and I don't know why, it makes me think it could be a symptom of a larger problem.
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I don't know what caused them to come off - just a weak solder connection. Vibration, most probably. No, nothing is shorting at this time. I suspected they may have gotten the wires reversed, but the results were exactly the same with the new ignition switch.
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Thanks for all the mental gymnastics, Goose.
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Yes - 2000 RSV. Where I happened to come to a stop outside Beaver Dam there was a Honda dealer across the road. He came over to see if he could help, came back with a trailer, we loaded it up and he took it to the shop where it could be secured overnight. Yes, it lights up just fine. Which is why I assumed the neutral circuit was OK. I did not check it with a meter - I had a helluva time finding it and could barely see the damn thing once I did, let alone get the meter probes in there. Plus, I am not really good at diagnosing electrical switches. And the manual was not a great deal of help here either. I visually checked it as I shifted in and out of gear and could see the switch go from ground to contact. NO, I didn't - but the the neutral light lit up when it was in neutral and went off when it was put in gear. Yeah, the unknown shop work is a big question mark. Prior to it's untimely stop, the bike worked fine. That said, everything else electrically works fine - signals, lights, horn, radio, clock, cruise - no other problems that I have become aware of. I appreciate your help on this. Like I said, trying to run down an electrical problem is not my strong suit. Tell me what to check and what the results should be, I can do that. Standing by.......... Squeeze - where would I find the CDI box? And can 1 diode be replaced (or by-passed)? Or this another expensive component that needs to replaced?
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Here's one for all you electrical geniuses - if you can solve this problem I'll name my next male child after you. Here's the back story - last year, we were just about home from a long trip & the bike dies on the freeway. Long story short - It turns out that 2 of the leads had detached from the bottom of the ignition switch. The local Hoinda dealer fixed the bike and when I pick up the bike from the dealer, it runs fine. But here's the glitch - with the bike in nuetral & on the sidestand, it will not start or run unless the clutch is in. Pull in the clutch - it starts right up. If I sit on it & put the sidestand up (& bike is in nuetral), I can let the clutch out and it will continue to run. I have replaced the ignition switch & the sidestand switch, and the clutch switch and inspected the nuetral switch (it is a mechanical switch which seems to be working fine). Nothing changed. I have inspected all the fuses I know of and all the electrical connections. Is there a relay or fuse someplace I am unware of? Broken connection in some hidden spot? I would appreciate any useful information on resolving this.
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Tell 'em to keep thier eyes open and their guns clean. They can't trust anyone over there but the guys in their unit. My best wishes for their safe return. My daughter is currently serving in Afghan. As a couple of people stated before, the care packages are greatly appreciated. We always try to include some extra stuff that she can share with either her fellow soldiers or with the local kids. I haven't heard her voice in 6 months, but the e-mail is a god-send. And helping her resolve issues here in the states is even more appreciated, I think - taxes, billing problems, etc. Good luck to all of you.
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Thanks for the info on Deadwood. I suppose we'll try and check it all out - as much as we can in 4 days. I wanted to go to the Black Hills mostly for the riding and natural sites and wanted to avoid the Bike Week crowds. My wife wants to go mostly because she gets paid vacation & it's better than going to work for a week. LOL Neither of us gamble or drink (much) and I try avoid crowds & tourists as much as possible. I'll suffer thru to see the Big Heads. We have casinos & shows in WI - my long range plan is to ride to and thru every state (and province), just to see the unique and natural beauty that is there before God calls my number (I think I'm #666). The ride to Hawaii is probably going to be the most difficult. LOL Assuming I'm still vertical and above ground in 5 years, and the world hasn't been struck by a giant meteor or something - I want to take about 3 - 4 weeks & ride to & around Alaska. Never been and I want to go before I get to old and feeble to be able to go there on the bike. So anyone that wants to ride along, all the way or part of the way - pencil it in - summer 2014. I didn't figure I'd have to kidnap you, Rick - I was just gonna ask if you wanted you to go. Thanks again for the all Black Hills info - when we get back I'll post some pics .....someplace. later
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Cowpuc, Thanks for all that info & good ideas - we both prefer the road less traveled - and that has made all the difference. Getting the bike dirty doesn't bother me any - I wash it at the end of every riding season, whether she needs it or not. I am a little cautious about riding 2 up & fully loaded on gravel roads, however. I used to live in MT and ID back in the day and I spent plenty of nights under the stars out there - you're right, it is very beautiful. But I'm not as young as I was back then - and after a day of riding, a warm meal prepared by someone other than me & a shower & good nights sleep in comfortable bed is joy unto itself. Eck - we still want to ride down to Key West and thru the southeast (SC, GA, AL) one of these days. If you can't be the tour guide for that little trip, maybe you can join me on my ride to Alaska in about 5 years? We can stop in and mooch off Rick & Marilynn for a couple days. Thanks again to one and all. We're looking forward to the trip - but then we look forward to any & every trip. No such thing as a bad vacation.
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For all the info everyone. We'll be out there during the middle of the last full week in June - the 22, 23 & 24th probably - so we should miss the 4th of July traffic. I already contacted the SD tourism dept. and the travel guide is in the mail. But there's nothing like some tips and extra info from fellow riders that have been there or lived there. No matter where "there " is. We planned to see the Badlands and check out Devils Tower on the start of return home ride. The Crazy Horse Monument was on the list, too. Someone else told me about the ND badlands - that sounds like something to see on the ride home, too. We never make a lot of specific plans on these trips, generally letting the weather and circumstance determine how far we ride and what we do & see. The missus does NOT camp when we're traveling on the bike and, truthfully - that's fine by me. It's less work for me (no setting up, tearing down, making meals and cleaning up after) and we can cover more ground that way. And there is less whining. Much less whining. Eck, if my daughter stays stationed in Gulfport after her tour, maybe we'll ride down that way again and meet up. We really enjoyed the Natchez Trace Parkway - thanks for the info on that! Rick, have fun out there and a safe ride, too. And keep an eye on the weather - they sometimes get snow out there in April. If I'm not mistaken, some of those roads are in the 5-8000' height - summer comes late and the snow stays long that high up. That was the main reason we decided on late June - I don't care to meet any icy roads at that elevation with only 2 wheels under me. Thanks again, everyone. Ya'll have a fun, safe summer.
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The better 1/2 and I decided to take our summer ride in the Black Hills this year during last week in June. We wanted to spend a few days in the Hills, riding around and checking out the countryside. Any info on "must-see" places, (besides the big heads, of course), roads to ride, spots for the best scenic vistas, quiet motels (or motels to avoid), tourist traps to avoid, etc. etc. would be appreciated. We were looking at going to Wind Cave and Jewel Cave - are they worth seeing? On the way back to WI, we are thinking of going thru ND - is there anything in ND...................anywhere................worth seeing? :-) Thanks
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I seem to be the bearer of not so good news lately!
Red1 replied to sarges46's topic in Watering Hole
Sarge, I met Pete at the PIP last fall & he was kind enough to share a bottle of some very nice tequila with me. Great guy with an excellent taste in tequila! I hope he has a quick and complete recovery. If you see him, tell him next time I'll bring the bottle. -
Man! What can you say about a trip like that? I'm at a loss for words....when has that ever happened before? Really sorry to hear about your dad - best wishes for a speedy recovery for him. And for you and Al - a trip like that can leave you scarred for life. I sure hope you have better luck in Jamaica. You're not going during hurricane season, are you?
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Rick, From what you said at the PIP, it sounds like Bob's in good hands now and should make a slow, but full recovery - so my hope is that he does it quicker than expected. I know how hard it is mentally & emotionally when you have to deal with something like this - So my prayer is that you and Marilynn and the rest of the Canadian crew (including Tequila Pete) ride focused & alert and get home safe & sound.
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Any Ideas? Key/Ignition swith Problem?
Red1 replied to RoadKill's topic in Royal Star Venture Tech Talk ('99 - '13)
That's how my switch started acting before it died completely. But mine turned out to be wires that came loose from the soldered terminals on the bottom of the switch. Might be a good idea to check that before your bike decides to die at 75 mph like mine did. Remove the boot around the fuel cap, remove the plastic neck covers, remove the seat & the fuel tank (just slide it back a bit). Then you can unplug and remove the switch. Flip it over and remove the bottom section and then you can clean the contacts and check the 4 soldered connections. It's not as difficult as it sounds - took me about 30 minutes. A little dielectric grease on the contacts is a good idea. Not sure why you would need to put all accessories on a relay since it's a "hard" or "physical" switch, not an electronic one. When you turn the key, it physically rotates the contact plate on to the various terminals. The wires & contacts used are heavy enough to carry all the juice the main fuse can handle. Larry - Spraying lube into the keyhole will not effect the contacts at all - they are isolated from the upper key part of the switch. I'm glad it seemed to solve your problem, but if you are having (or had) an ignition switch problem, you may want to check your soldered connections, too. My own theory is that because the bottom plate holds the wires in place pretty tightly, a soldered connection can come loose and still function with only sporadic electrical problems - until it either comes in contact with another wire - resulting in short & blowing the main fuse and/or frying the plate. Or, as in my case, comes completely loose - resulting in a "dead" switch. Just my 2 cents -
To all of the above comments, I can only say ................HUH? How is any of this related to the original topic? But as long as we are straying way, way off the subject.................. I just returned safely from a 2500 miles trip and my only form of personal, portable protection was my sparkling personality and mildly venomous wit. And it's always locked and loaded, baby. Back to topic - I hope you have a great turnout, great weather, safe riding and are not accosted by any of those notorious Canuck Banditos that molest innocent travelers.
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My dead ignition switch turned out to be 2 of the wires on the bottom of the switch had broken from their connection. They were soldered back in place and it works fine. I took it apart to check the work done by the shop, cleaned off all the contacts, checked all the soldered connections and re-assembled it. When it died, the radio worked in the ACC position, but not in the ON position. If it ever dies again, this is the first place I'd look and it's not that hard to get to. Remove the seat, remove the tank bolts and slide the tank back, remove the neck side covers and you're there. Once you get to the switch, there are 2 bolts at the base -remove them with a 5mm allen wrench. Then remove the 2 screws at the bottom of the switch and the wires and switch and contacts are all exposed. Since the switch is a mechanical switch, my guess would be that most of the dead ignition problems are probably the same as mine was - loose or disconnected wires at the bottom of the switch. I think the bottom piece fits snugly enough that it could hold the harness & wires in place even if 1 or more wires were broken from their contacts, thus resulting in intermittent ignition problems, at least for a while.
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Ignition switch or other??????
Red1 replied to Red1's topic in Royal Star Venture Tech Talk ('99 - '13)
Well, I got the bike back Wed. They claimed 2 of the wires had broken off the contacts and that they soldered them back on. However - now the kickstand cut-off switch is not functioning properly - she won't run or start with the side stnd down and the trans in nuetral. God, I hate having other people work on my bike. I ordered a new switch already and will tear it apart myself tomorrow. I think I'll install the new one and clean up the old one. Thanks for the tips on removing the bolts - I noticed they were anti-theft bolts. So how do they put them on in the first place? I also found the info on bypassing the switch (thanks Freebird)- and that has become part of my on-board tools and manual. Along with a membership in the AARP Motoring program - just in case. So thanks for all your input. -
I use 15 - 25 psi solo, 45-50 2 up with or w/o trailer. I think the wt. of you and your passenger would be a significant factor, tho. I'm about 165 lbs. and the wife is ..............a little less than that. I also increase the rear tire pressure to 41 lbs. when towing the trailer.