uechi kid Posted May 12, 2013 Share #1 Posted May 12, 2013 While on a trip from Nor*Cal to Sedona I had a caliper on the front fall off. Some how the bolts worked loose. Before the trip I replaced the front tire and I know for a fact that I torqued the bolts to spec. Anyone else have this happen? Also, is there any issue with using a dab of lock tight on the threads? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbrood Posted May 12, 2013 Share #2 Posted May 12, 2013 If you want it to STAY... a bit of blue will help your day. Suspension helps the rest of the bike but things that feel the road can take a lot of vibration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pmelah Posted May 12, 2013 Share #3 Posted May 12, 2013 never had one fall off just lock up when i didnt need them or use them for that matter but yes blue should do the trick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mm482 Posted May 12, 2013 Share #4 Posted May 12, 2013 I think you may need to get a new torque wrench or at least get the one you used check for accuracy. If the bolts were at the correct torque, they should not have worked loose. Earl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uechi kid Posted May 13, 2013 Author Share #5 Posted May 13, 2013 I think you may need to get a new torque wrench or at least get the one you used check for accuracy. If the bolts were at the correct torque, they should not have worked loose. Earl How would one check the accuracy of a torque wrench? If that's a possibility I will replace it, but I think lock tight is going to be a part of every important bolt I tighten in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skydoc_17 Posted May 13, 2013 Share #6 Posted May 13, 2013 Keep in mind that you are screwing a Steel Bolt into a Aluminum Thread! These two dissimilar metals expand and contract at two different rates. My guess is the female thread in the Aluminum Caliper Body has been "stretched", making it sloppy. I have had to junk more than a few calipers because the threads in the Caliper Body have been pulled completely out. If you were able to torque the bolt to the proper torque spec. and you didn't strip the thread, then Blue Loctite is going to be a must on those caliper bolts from now on. Because of the tremendous amount of heat that the caliper bodies are exposed to, your problem caliper is "on it's last legs" so to speak. If you use the Blue Loctite this time, you will very likely pull the threads out the next time you remove this caliper. I say this so you can have a replacement caliper ready to install in case the threads fail completely. Earl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dingy Posted May 13, 2013 Share #7 Posted May 13, 2013 If you use the Blue Loctite this time, you will very likely pull the threads out the next time you remove this caliper. I say this so you can have a replacement caliper ready to install in case the threads fail completely. Earl Is there room to put a longer bolt in and use a nut behind it if the threads get pulled? Gary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abusive throttle cranker Posted May 13, 2013 Share #8 Posted May 13, 2013 (edited) uechi kid- u haven't said if ur laid up or not. I'm the nearest member to Sedona so let me know. I have some knowledge but few tools. But I do have a nice garage should you need it. No- I have no truck nor trailer. P.S. Well.....I do know where I could probly borrow a truck. But I don't wanna be lifting a Venture into a 3/4 ton pickup! I get a hernia just thinkin of it! Edited May 13, 2013 by abusive throttle cranker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgeS Posted May 13, 2013 Share #9 Posted May 13, 2013 I'm thinking " Damaged Threads " !!! Better inspect the threads carefully !!! I never had that happen, on any bike :detective::whistling: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uechi kid Posted May 13, 2013 Author Share #10 Posted May 13, 2013 uechi kid- u haven't said if ur laid up or not. I'm the nearest member to Sedona so let me know. I have some knowledge but few tools. But I do have a nice garage should you need it. No- I have no truck nor trailer. Sorry, forgot to mention our results. Semiretired, thanks for asking. The lower bolt fell out and was lost. The upper bolt had backed out all the was but didn't fall out because of the reflector. Installed the upper bolt in the lower hole, went to ACE hardware, removed the one bolt I had left. Found a bolt with the same threads and length (but not an exact match). Bought a washer and some blue Loctite and reinstalled the bolts with a dab of Loctite. I also checked the other side to make sure the were tight and they are. It's Saturday night and we're still in Sedona and looking forward to seeing more of the area. I'm very thankful that we are alright and it was something I could fix on the road' and that we have dual front brakes. I've been thinking about doing the front brake up grade, I guess if my caliper might be damaged this might be a good time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abusive throttle cranker Posted May 13, 2013 Share #11 Posted May 13, 2013 Sorry, forgot to mention our results. Semiretired, thanks for asking. The lower bolt fell out and was lost. The upper bolt had backed out all the was but didn't fall out because of the reflector. Installed the upper bolt in the lower hole, went to ACE hardware, removed the one bolt I had left. Found a bolt with the same threads and length (but not an exact match). Bought a washer and some blue Loctite and reinstalled the bolts with a dab of Loctite. I also checked the other side to make sure the were tight and they are. It's Saturday night and we're still in Sedona and looking forward to seeing more of the area. I'm very thankful that we are alright and it was something I could fix on the road' and that we have dual front brakes. I've been thinking about doing the front brake up grade, I guess if my caliper might be damaged this might be a good time. Ok cool. I'm gonna crash then. Glad u were able to fix it so easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yamtom Posted May 13, 2013 Share #12 Posted May 13, 2013 Hi, I had a conversation with someone who builds bicycles from aluminum, he told me that every time you tourqe an alu thread, you lose ten percent of its holding ability. Not to belabor the issue, but maybe we all should be figuring to check our bolts often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoneman1981 Posted May 13, 2013 Share #13 Posted May 13, 2013 Hello Everyone: Before finding this forum. I trusted dealers to maintain my bike. I soon learned that everyone including me can make a mistake. During on out of town trip another dealer replaced my rear brake pads and inspected my front pads. Mechanic must have forgot to tighten the front caliper bolts. I got about 30 miles down the road when I began to notice an unfamiliar chattering sound in the front end. I pulled into the parking lot of a mini mart and discovered the lower bolt completely missing and the upper bolt almost out. Thanks to the reflector it could not fall out. It was now after their closing hours, dark and 200 miles from home. I tightened the upper bolt and rode slow to my motel room. Contacted the dealer the next day and they apologized and fixed me up new bolts. After this incident I work on my own bike a lot more. So much to learn from the members of this site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Condor Posted May 13, 2013 Share #14 Posted May 13, 2013 When removing the front tire I need to take both calipers off first or it's a PITA getting the tire out. And... I don't use a torque wrench to re-tighten the bolts. I do keep in mind that the threads are aluminum and not 'wrench' on them too much. Snug+ does it for me. I have never had a caliper loosen up. I can see where it might happen if the front axle bearings are getting a bit worn, and starting to develop a harmonic that will loosen a bolt. My first Venture caliper had a thread striped out and I had to pick up another caliper off eBay. A little later on I had to rebearing the front wheel as I was starting to feel a slight viabration coming thru the bars. I think the bolt was loosening up on the PO and he striped the threads out trying to keep it tight. Anyway, problem solved. I did recaliper with R1's later on, but not because there was anything wrong with the OEM's... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Butler Posted May 13, 2013 Share #15 Posted May 13, 2013 My profressional assessment is that you probably torqued one side and overlooked the other? At 29ft/lbs and forget the locktite, they will not back out. While on a trip from Nor*Cal to Sedona I had a caliper on the front fall off. Some how the bolts worked loose. Before the trip I replaced the front tire and I know for a fact that I torqued the bolts to spec. Anyone else have this happen? Also, is there any issue with using a dab of lock tight on the threads? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uechi kid Posted May 14, 2013 Author Share #16 Posted May 14, 2013 My professional assessment is that you probably torqued one side and overlooked the other? At 29ft/lbs and forget the locktite, they will not back out. I can certainly see how that might be the logical assessment, I even thought that at first. But when I thought back and reviewed my procedure I reconsidered. When I removed the wheel I started on the right side and then did the left side. When I got the wheel off I left the tools on the left side until I returned from the dealer with my tire. Then I reversed the process starting on the left side and finishing on the right side. Unlikely that I forgot to torque them but, it is possible. I'm definitely not a professional mechanic but I was being careful and was referring to the torque specs as I went. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billmac Posted May 14, 2013 Share #17 Posted May 14, 2013 when you take both sides off at the same time and putting them back on tighten evenly on both both sides then torgue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gscbertrand Posted May 14, 2013 Share #18 Posted May 14, 2013 A heli coil kit will do a nice job. I use red or green loc-tite on the stainless heli coil then use the bolt to torque and have never had a problem. Works for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blinker Posted May 14, 2013 Share #19 Posted May 14, 2013 Never had that problem but I know what I'm checking when i get home tonight....took the cage today.... Oh yeah,, shifter bolt, shifter bolt, shifter bolt.....ok, im over it now, lost mine on a recent 2500 mile ride...kinda weird riding 100 or so miles without stoping or shifting then pull off for gas and try to downshift....no big deal but just a little "houston we got a problem" moment. ha. I thought only Harley bolts have auto-reverse on them...ha... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBJ Posted May 14, 2013 Share #20 Posted May 14, 2013 Haven't had it happen on my Yamaha yet (though today Im putting on new tires front and rear so i'll check it thoroughly), but it did happen on my honda some years back as i was riding to a charity run. lost both bolts and the bike was useless to me . so i limped home and had to swish to my side car rig. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrycuda Posted May 14, 2013 Share #21 Posted May 14, 2013 It never really crossed my mind to check before, so today I checked and tightened things front to back. Nothing was over the top loose but it now is in my head to be on the lookout...BOLO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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