Flyinfool Posted March 30, 2014 Author Share #26 Posted March 30, 2014 Well I have the first one made. I tried it on my spare head and it does work fine even though there are some machining oopies on them. But I have decided to make some changes to it to make it even better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black wing Posted March 30, 2014 Share #27 Posted March 30, 2014 are you making these one by one or chaining them on one long piece of stock? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyinfool Posted March 30, 2014 Author Share #28 Posted March 30, 2014 I am starting with a long piece of 2 inch square stock. Cut the inner and outer profiles which entails removing 80% of the bar. Then slice it up on the band saw into 1/2 inch chunks. Then mill one side flat and cut the ramp, flip it over, mill to final thickness and cut the other ramp. At the moment I am using some cheap scrap steel just to prove out the process and fixtures. It only takes a couple of uses for this cheap steel to start showing wear. Once I get everything working right, I'll buy the bar of 1045 steel and do it again for real. The 1045 is tough enough that I do not have to heat treat. I could make these out of 1018 which is a LOT easier to machine, but then I would have to case harden them. The first time I made these I was wearing out $100+ solid carbide end mills. I now have all indexable tooling for this, so now I will wear out $12 carbide inserts. I think the inserts to cut the harder 1045 will be cheaper than the case hardening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black wing Posted March 31, 2014 Share #29 Posted March 31, 2014 so a process of square stock into the mill first do your internal dimensions, then move to the lathe cut the outer profile and then band saw before doing the small side ramps in the laite again individually? now guessing by the square stock you have a 4 jaw chuck on the lathe would it not be faster to do the ramps first offset the stock in the jaws and use a parting tool to make the ramps with an extra .260 - .270'' clearance for later parting and tolerancing then do your basic outside round profile, move to mill do your internal dimensions and after that's done all you have to do is toss it back into the lathe and cut em off with the parting tool and polish. how i would go about it myself to cut out having to do any steps on the tools one at a time its a little bit more wasteful on stock but a might bit quicker are you holding the stock in the mill with an indexing head and if so why use the square stock? the tool would be just as effective but easier to produce if you were able to start with round stock and not have to waste the time or metal to go from square to round sorry if i seem to be sticking my nose into your work just happen to see something for my brain to play with and go for it, gets damn boring on this base. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djh3 Posted March 31, 2014 Share #30 Posted March 31, 2014 Tim Taylor would be proud my friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyinfool Posted March 31, 2014 Author Share #31 Posted March 31, 2014 so a process of square stock into the mill first do your internal dimensions, then move to the lathe cut the outer profile and then band saw before doing the small side ramps in the laite again individually? now guessing by the square stock you have a 4 jaw chuck on the lathe would it not be faster to do the ramps first offset the stock in the jaws and use a parting tool to make the ramps with an extra .260 - .270'' clearance for later parting and tolerancing then do your basic outside round profile, move to mill do your internal dimensions and after that's done all you have to do is toss it back into the lathe and cut em off with the parting tool and polish. how i would go about it myself to cut out having to do any steps on the tools one at a time its a little bit more wasteful on stock but a might bit quicker are you holding the stock in the mill with an indexing head and if so why use the square stock? the tool would be just as effective but easier to produce if you were able to start with round stock and not have to waste the time or metal to go from square to round sorry if i seem to be sticking my nose into your work just happen to see something for my brain to play with and go for it, gets damn boring on this base. Close but not quite. I used square stock because it was cheaper than round and available at the time I needed it. This is a basement hobbyist shop, not a factory, no CNC equipment. I start in the lathe with the bar between centers and turn the outside profile. I have a tab welded to the end of the bar to drive it so that I do not have to waste material with a dog. A 4 jaw chuck would waste 3.5 inches of the bar at the chuck end and another 1/2 inch for a center at the other end. That would lose 6 tools per bar. The first batch that I made the outside was not round it was cam shaped so the entire outside hade to be done on the mill with an indexer between centers. That was a PITA. Then I move to the mill with the bar between centers on the indexer, where I mill the interior profile for the full length of the bar. LOTS of chips here. I loose about a half inch at each end of the bar to save enough stock for the centers and cutter run out. Then I saw it up into parts and mill to thickness and cut the ramp on the mill with the indexer. The saw has a 1/32 kerf and the parting tool is 1/8 wide. Just the difference in kerf I would get 20% fewer tools per bar of material. This may not be the most efficient way to do this, but I have to work within my machining capabilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black wing Posted March 31, 2014 Share #32 Posted March 31, 2014 Ahh suppose you don't quite have the output to be able to justify the lost material. Though still all doable without the cnc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beltfed50 Posted April 1, 2014 Share #33 Posted April 1, 2014 I need one of these if that's still possible... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyinfool Posted April 1, 2014 Author Share #34 Posted April 1, 2014 Yes you can still get onto the list. I sure wish I could play with a belt fed 50..... My redesign is finished and seems to work just as good as the original version, and is also a bit stronger so it is less likely to snap in half. I just ordered the material to make the real ones. Next week the fun and flying chips begins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beltfed50 Posted April 2, 2014 Share #35 Posted April 2, 2014 Flyinfool, you are the first to ever admit to understanding the handle, and if I ever manage to actually OWN one, I'll need about 5 or 6 boxcar loads of ammo...a year to shoot it as much as I'd want to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyinfool Posted April 5, 2014 Author Share #36 Posted April 5, 2014 (edited) Well chips have been flying for a couple of days now. I got the first 2 tools done. The rest will happen much more quickly now. The last couple of steps take about a half hour each tool. I started with a 9 lb bar of steel and it is down to about 2 lbs left. The rest is a big pile of chips in my shop vac. Just about ready to start shipping. The first batch will ship Monday. FYI Canada add $5 for First Class International Mail (no tracking or insurance, unknown delivery time), or $15 for Priority International Mail (tracking, insurance, 6-8 days). Either way I will need your phone and email for the customs papers. Edited April 6, 2014 by Flyinfool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeithR Posted April 15, 2014 Share #37 Posted April 15, 2014 Rec my valve tool tdy. Thanks Much Keith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djh3 Posted April 15, 2014 Share #38 Posted April 15, 2014 Jeff I sure hope with the price they are paying for scrap you aint just throwing the chips away. Its all clean steel and should give you a decent price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
videoarizona Posted April 15, 2014 Share #39 Posted April 15, 2014 Please add me to the list for your tool... david Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry.B Posted April 15, 2014 Share #40 Posted April 15, 2014 got my tool yesterday Thank you Barry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P-roy Posted June 6, 2014 Share #41 Posted June 6, 2014 Just seeing this thread, are there any more available. I would be interested in one. Thanks either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yammer Dan Posted June 6, 2014 Share #42 Posted June 6, 2014 Flyinfool, you are the first to ever admit to understanding the handle, and if I ever manage to actually OWN one, I'll need about 5 or 6 boxcar loads of ammo...a year to shoot it as much as I'd want to. I got to shoot one of those quite a bit. Easy to melt those barrels if you don't swap them right!! A sound you never forget. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyR Posted June 6, 2014 Share #43 Posted June 6, 2014 I got to shoot one of those quite a bit. Easy to melt those barrels if you don't swap them right!! A sound you never forget. Are you talking about the sound made when someone grabs a hot barrel with their bare hand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfcrader Posted June 6, 2014 Share #44 Posted June 6, 2014 If you have any I would like 1. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atoolnut Posted June 7, 2014 Share #45 Posted June 7, 2014 Please put me down for 1 ..if available I will pm address. Thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyinfool Posted June 8, 2014 Author Share #46 Posted June 8, 2014 I had 2 finished ones left that have been spoken for. I have several that are partly machined that I can finish up next week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bones158 Posted June 9, 2014 Share #47 Posted June 9, 2014 I'll buy one if still available? Send me a PM, thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slowrollwv Posted June 9, 2014 Share #48 Posted June 9, 2014 Hay Bones I have one you can use, just send it back when you are done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KB2RWW Posted July 7, 2014 Share #49 Posted July 7, 2014 If it will work on my 1984 XVZ12 then i'll take one if they're still available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dueyk1111 Posted October 26, 2014 Share #50 Posted October 26, 2014 i missed it the first batch, forgot i ordered one. would like one this time if possible? pm me your address n i will send you a money order. thanks!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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