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I went on a PGR mission today and ended up in the ditch. I was behind another bike that froze in a harpin corner and lost control with me behind him. I had nowhere to go as I was committed to the corner and did not want to hit him so I ditched it in the ditch. Now for the bad news, I need a front lower left cowling, and a radio exterior shell. the radio works but the case is severely damaged. Any one have any of these??? The other bad new is a cracked rib or two and two scuffed and brused knees and of course the pride issue. I did finish the mission with 200+ miles so i kept most of my pride. Any help on the two items would be appreciated as I am heading to Freebirds MD and at least need the radio repaired. I will need to paint the bike but don't know if I can accomplish this before MD. I guess I need to donate to the pot now!! WHERE????

Thanks:depressed::depressed:

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glad your ok........the bike can be repaired................had the same thing happen to me except it was my wif eon her bike in front of me. We were on a ride when she first started riding and everyone started acting stupid at the first stop and she freak,hit her brakes and stopped. Lets just say an 1100 shadow spirit stops a lot easier than a venture in gravel. I had to either hit her or ditch it.

 

 

Like I said good choice and glad to hear you both walked away from this incident.

 

 

David

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Glad you're OK. What a bummer..here you are trying to do something decent and honorable and it winds up costing you because one of your peers goofs up. I love to ride, but frankly groups worry me just for this type of thing. Whenever you're with folks you don't know well (riding ability wise) PLEASE stay on your toes! There are a lot of folks out there on bikes who are newbies and really don't know "how" to ride. If one of 'em is near you and they screw up, down ya go. Be careful and stay safe!!

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I'm going to play devils advocate here, so please dont get all uptight with my statements. Do you know the rider that was in front of you? If so I would approach them and ask for them to help with the repairs. Now that statement being made, yes there are circumstances that could lead to someone freezing in a corner like debris in the road. Group riding is not for everyone, some folks should not even be on bikes little own be in a group with them.

 

As for the donation, I personally dont feel you need to make that, unless you were way too close and didn't have good stopping distance. It's hard to judge how people are going to react in situations without riding with them for many miles. I know how hard it can be to navigate hairpin curves. You have to be committed in the act and follow through with it. Unfortunately I dont have any of the extras that you need, but I'll keep my eyes open for you.

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Sorry to hear you went down, especially to save someone else. Glad your injuries are fairly minor.

 

Glad you're OK. What a bummer..here you are trying to do something decent and honorable and it winds up costing you because one of your peers goofs up. I love to ride, but frankly groups worry me just for this type of thing. Whenever you're with folks you don't know well (riding ability wise) PLEASE stay on your toes! There are a lot of folks out there on bikes who are newbies and really don't know "how" to ride. If one of 'em is near you and they screw up, down ya go. Be careful and stay safe!!

 

And it is not just the newbies you have to watch out for. I have a friend that has been riding for 20+ years and thinks he is a great rider. But in a parking lot he duck walks the bike everywhere and his feet are always dragging any time he is below 10 mph starting or stopping. The soles of his riding boots are only good for about 5K miles. He is also afraid to lean the bike more than about 20° in a curve, he will hit the breaks in the middle of a curve. He also feels that since I wear a helmet that I am telling the world that I do not know how to ride.

 

These are 2 of my indicators when following a bike as to the ability of the rider. I keep my distance from him and all foot daggers.

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I for one really don't care to ride in big groups whether I know them or not. There is no reason I can think of for a group of PGR riders to be riding like that but I know it happens.

The group I ride with regularly have a couple of riders I absolutely will not ride close to. There guys have been riding for a long time but I think they might need a white cane with a red tip.

Glad you are okay and was able to continue to ride.

Good Luck,

BOO

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Sorry to hear about your mishap ... hope those ribs heal soon, I know how that can hurt!

 

On the topic of group riding, yesterday I was out on the Harley demo days and of course, everyone goes in a group. Guy behind me was getting on my nerves as he'd continually be riding too close (couldn't see him in my mirror without leaning forward) and at an intersection where we'd have to turn, he'd leap out beside me instead of maintaining his distance and position. I'da said something to him but he kinda disappeared after we returned.

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I am sorry to hear about your mishap.I also went down about a month ago from following too close and the insurance company totaled the bike.On another site I visit one of the members posted this. Now please this is in NO WAY any kind of indictment to you or anybody elses rideing.It just seemed like an appropiate time and place to post it.

I hope this helps some of you it has been beneficial to me.

 

The generally accepted safe following distance is 2 seconds from the vehicle in front of you. If you are riding in a staggered formation this means that you would be 2 seconds behind the bike directly in front of you and 1 second behind the bike that is in the other side of the lane. To determine your following distance watch for the vehicle in front of you to pass some fixed point, such as a mile marker or tar snake, and count “one motorcycle, two motorcycle.” That would be the equivalent of a two second following distance.

 

Please note that your instincts for car driving may not transfer well to motorcycle riding. Bernt Spiegel, a German researcher of the human/motorcycle interface, found that riders constantly follow vehicles more closely on their motorcycles than they did in their cars. Spiegel conducted an experiment where he had motorcyclists follow behind a car, but staggered to the left, at a distance that the riders felt was sufficient. Then while proceeding along at a pace set by the car, the car driver would randomly initiate an emergency stop. Spiegel found that the vast majority of riders did not get their cycles stopped quickly enough to remain behind the vehicle, but in most cases passed the rear bumper of the cars; indicating that if the rider had not been staggered they would have impacted the vehicle. The results were not replicated when riders were driving their cars.

 

What I take from Spiegel’s findings is that instincts formed from car driving will let us down when riding. We must practice, practice, practice, ride, ride and ride. Doing so will train ourbrains.

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Thanks for the well wishes and the information. You guys are right about following distances. I always ride further back than the group and I feel out of sync but I am ok with that. I do believe that the guy in front of me was not as proficient as he made himself appear. As we approach the corners he would slow to a snails pace. When we came to the corner we went down he started on one side and crossed into mine. I was only doing about 20 but I think he tried to slow to fast IN the corner which then led to my mistake.

Thanks again for the concern and words of experience.

I am feeling better today and will be out on the bike today but and stiff and sore but that to will pass!:fingers-crossed-emo

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Happy to hear your injuries were not as bad as the bikes. That worries me every time I go on a large PGR escort. I've seen way too many riders that don't have a clue as to how to ride in a group. That's why I try to either be in the first few rows or at the back. Here in Michigan, ALL PGR group rides are mandatory staggered formation rides.

 

I hope you heal fast :fingers-crossed-emo

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Just a quick update. I am stiff but functioning but enough about me. I found a brand new radio controller on ebay that I won for $77. Thanks for no one here outbidding me!!! Not a pinwheel used for $215. YAAAA I can repair the cowling and aiming to repaint in a couple of weeks. What I would like to know is the paint code for my bike. I have a 99 with the dark purple over silver. Thanks

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