Spud Posted January 31, 2008 Share #1 Posted January 31, 2008 I know this isn't about bikes but I just have to share.... Firstly I want to point out that here in Canada we refer to blacks as "The Black Community". We don't say "African American" as you do in the US. It's not intended to be a slur just a difference in how we refer to this group. (just so you understand) So now... Starting in the 2009 School year Toronto Ontario will now have black only schools, and guess who has insisted on this..??? The Black Community itself. They no longer wish to attend schools with other groups. They want their own education system and some in the Black Community have gone as far to say they also want their own all black companies. I'm speachless..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bongobobny Posted January 31, 2008 Share #2 Posted January 31, 2008 What's next, Black communities followed by Black nations? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BluesLover Posted January 31, 2008 Share #3 Posted January 31, 2008 From what I have read, this is the school board in Toronto making that decision, and in fact, the general public DOES NOT want that to happen. You really have to wander what the heck these paid politicians are thinking? We're back to the days of segregation! Cheers, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skid Posted January 31, 2008 Share #4 Posted January 31, 2008 If it was any other group doing something like that, they would be called a raciest and someone would be sued..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hipshot Posted January 31, 2008 Share #5 Posted January 31, 2008 I know this isn't about bikes but I just have to share.... Firstly I want to point out that here in Canada we refer to blacks as "The Black Community". We don't say "African American" as you do in the US. It's not intended to be a slur just a difference in how we refer to this group. (just so you understand) So now... Starting in the 2009 School year Toronto Ontario will now have black only schools, and guess who has insisted on this..??? The Black Community itself. They no longer wish to attend schools with other groups. They want their own education system and some in the Black Community have gone as far to say they also want their own all black companies. I'm speachless..... don't they already exist, in africa? might be, that obama, and opra, have a hand in this! OH!!!!! and the KENNEDY clan, too! lol just jt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilvrT Posted January 31, 2008 Share #6 Posted January 31, 2008 THIS could get to be a real political issue, real quick. IMHO, racism exists only in the minds of those who feel they are "different" and it is usually them who bring the issue of racism into something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BradT Posted January 31, 2008 Share #7 Posted January 31, 2008 You want pot, we say- no problem. Gays want to marry, we say - no problem. You want an extra holiday, we say - no problem. You want your own segregated schools, we say - no problem. You want lower taxes, we say - no God damn way. Thought McGinty (sp?) said no way to this sort of thing and was getting rid of the Catholic School Board, and just make one publc school board. Brad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Yamahawg Posted January 31, 2008 Share #8 Posted January 31, 2008 You want pot, we say- no problem. Gays want to marry, we say - no problem. You want an extra holiday, we say - no problem. You want your own segregated schools, we say - no problem. You want lower taxes, we say - no God damn way. I bout fell out of the chair laughing when I read the last line... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Swifty Posted January 31, 2008 Share #9 Posted January 31, 2008 I'm speachless..... ...why? The Catholics have been segregated here in Ontario for the last 40 years and no one has labeled them racists. If it can be shown that a segregated school system is denying equal opportunity for a segment of the population, then desegregate the kids. If it can be shown that a desegregated school system is denying equal opportunity for a segment of the population then segregate the kids. I've have no issue with it either way. It is always better to pay a little education tax up front and save us the bigger justice burden later on. I'm looking forward to seeing how this will work...and I can understand all the arguments against it given North American history. However, I don't think it can't be compared to what happened in the deep south because segregation was entrenched in society then and equal opportunity wasn't guaranteed. There the blacks needed to be desegregated in order to have access to opportunities that the white students had. Whereas, here in Canada where equal opportunity has been guaranteed since the Constitution 1982 (Lady Justice can no longer be blind; but she has to see us for our differences) we are now hearing arguments that it is better to create different education systems that will meet the needs of all students, and this Toronto case is one of them. And this isn't a new concept, it started some years ago with separate courses being designed for Native Canadians...(just ask Sarges46[Rick] about the justice burden we carry for Natives in Manitoba alone), which might lead to segregated school systems for them too. When we throw away rule by the majority in favour of equal opportunity for all it is always going to be more challenging. Philosophically, I'm in favour of it, because given the population growth rates occuring in different races now around the world now, it WILL be just a matter of time before the causasions will be fighting for equal opportunity as a minority race in countries like Canada and Western Europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calperin Posted January 31, 2008 Share #10 Posted January 31, 2008 ****, I should move to Canada instead of Michigan. At this time, I 'm sure that can join another argentinians over there, and make our own kelper party, and claim for our rights. We loose the Falklands war, so means Falklands won over Argentina too. Canada was support Britain on that war. My big mistake, at this time may be I got some lord title.... Well, may be still I'll be able to create an canadian jewish getto, and claim our civil rights too... I need to plan something... mmmm :stickinouttounge: Carlos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saddlebum Posted January 31, 2008 Share #11 Posted January 31, 2008 The black community requested/demanded it and the board has decided to do it. They always crumble to pressure. This is what makes Canada such a great country, if any groups wants something we say - no problem. You want pot, we say- no problem. Gays want to marry, we say - no problem. You want an extra holiday, we say - no problem. You want your own segregated schools, we say - no problem. You want lower taxes, we say - no God damn way. I DON'T BELEIVE THIS APPLIES IF YOU ARE WHITE ,STAIGHT, CHRISTIAN ( OR EQUIVELENT) AND CANADIAN BORN, IN WHICH CASE YOU ARE STRIPPED OF ALL RIGHTS. YES WELCOME TO CANADA!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr.nemo Posted January 31, 2008 Share #12 Posted January 31, 2008 I DON'T BELEIVE THIS APPLIES IF YOU ARE WHITE ,STAIGHT, CHRISTIAN ( OR EQUIVELENT) AND CANADIAN BORN, IN WHICH CASE YOU ARE STRIPPED OF ALL RIGHTS. YES WELCOME TO CANADA!!! Well said, and becoming/or is quite true... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowpuc Posted January 31, 2008 Share #13 Posted January 31, 2008 Welllll,, there are those of us Americans (I am refering to the citizens of the USA and using the term "Americans" as a short term for United States of Americans..) who never have bought into the term "African Americans".. Our country is progressing through the dismanteling of dividing off our people into groups/races and uniting us into one people.. It has been a longgggggg process but it is well worth it.. I am sitting here watching a PBS broadcast and as I type this there are a Black man, a Latino women and a Women discussing a book that the two ladies wrote about American Foriegn Trade... The three of them are American business people and they were introduced as such,,,, color of skin and past family history didnt even come into play... This,, as it MUST be in our country, is FINALLY becoming a way of life... Concerning what is happening in Canada, or any other country as far as that goes,,, you all be very careful up there.. We in the USA have proven that ethnic division at best will be tumultous,, at the worst it will lead to severe civil unrest.. Better to define a person by the condition of their heart and not by the color of their skin.... 'Puc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Ardrey Posted January 31, 2008 Share #14 Posted January 31, 2008 I DON'T BELEIVE THIS APPLIES IF YOU ARE WHITE ,STAIGHT, CHRISTIAN ( OR EQUIVELENT) AND CANADIAN BORN, IN WHICH CASE YOU ARE STRIPPED OF ALL RIGHTS. YES WELCOME TO CANADA!!!Isn't socialism grand! The U.S. is heading down the same path. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squeeze Posted January 31, 2008 Share #15 Posted January 31, 2008 I've read in a Business Magazine months ago, that there are 3 or 4 "african american" Colleges in US. Not that they claim to be like this, but in Fact no other Races study there... And nobody does anthing against this. I believe that is ridiculous, what would have Martin Luther King said on this Issue ? After fighting for a long and bloody Time to make his Race equal, they now start a Sort of Payback .... I DON'T BELEIVE THIS APPLIES IF YOU ARE WHITE ,STAIGHT, CHRISTIAN ( OR EQUIVELENT) AND CANADIAN BORN, IN WHICH CASE YOU ARE STRIPPED OF ALL RIGHTS. YES WELCOME TO CANADA!!! Isn't socialism grand! The U.S. is heading down the same path. united we stand on the Way to better world ... Germany is not far behind you, maybe equal or a bit ahead ..... even if its on the Way were we pay 100 Percent Taxes and the Government is telling you what is good for you, what is bad for you and what you have to think, eat, drink, (non-)smoke and how you're have to live your Life.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freebird Posted January 31, 2008 Share #16 Posted January 31, 2008 ...why? The Catholics have been segregated here in Ontario for the last 40 years and no one has labeled them racists. If it can be shown that a segregated school system is denying equal opportunity for a segment of the population, then desegregate the kids. If it can be shown that a desegregated school system is denying equal opportunity for a segment of the population then segregate the kids. I've have no issue with it either way. It is always better to pay a little education tax up front and save us the bigger justice burden later on. I'm looking forward to seeing how this will work...and I can understand all the arguments against it given North American history. However, I don't think it can't be compared to what happened in the deep south because segregation was entrenched in society then and equal opportunity wasn't guaranteed. There the blacks needed to be desegregated in order to have access to opportunities that the white students had. Whereas, here in Canada where equal opportunity has been guaranteed since the Constitution 1982 (Lady Justice can no longer be blind; but she has to see us for our differences) we are now hearing arguments that it is better to create different education systems that will meet the needs of all students, and this Toronto case is one of them. And this isn't a new concept, it started some years ago with separate courses being designed for Native Canadians...(just ask Sarges46[Rick] about the justice burden we carry for Natives in Manitoba alone), which might lead to segregated school systems for them too. When we throw away rule by the majority in favour of equal opportunity for all it is always going to be more challenging. Philosophically, I'm in favour of it, because given the population growth rates occuring in different races now around the world now, it WILL be just a matter of time before the causasions will be fighting for equal opportunity as a minority race in countries like Canada and Western Europe. There is so much wrong with this entire statement that I wouldn't even know where to start. I would have to get political though. Not going to go there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Popeye Posted February 1, 2008 Share #17 Posted February 1, 2008 Since Canada is a confederacy, why not just give each race, ethnic group, religion, etc., etc., its own province? Might have to subdivide the provinces to get enough divisions, but Canada has the room. Quebec almost did that a while back [white, french, catholic only]. 'Label' the people & just put them where they go. Simple solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Ardrey Posted February 1, 2008 Share #18 Posted February 1, 2008 There is so much wrong with this entire statement that I wouldn't even know where to start. I would have to get political though. Not going to go there.[/quote [color=red]Amen to that![/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sailor Posted February 1, 2008 Share #19 Posted February 1, 2008 Out here the East Indians have Surrey And the Chinese have Richmond (two large suburbs of Vancouver) The East Indians are demanding that all the road signs be in Hindi and our national anthem be sung in Hindi. There have been many murders in their community due to them having brought their cast system and sexism and racism with them. The Chinese already have the road signs in Cantonese and you can't find any store signs in English. The East Indians, Chinese, VietNamese, Russians etc are all killing each other over control of the drug scene. Other than that, things are fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilvrT Posted February 1, 2008 Share #20 Posted February 1, 2008 The East Indians are demanding that all the road signs be in Hindi and our national anthem be sung in Hindi. Not to mention that all their 4-way stop signs have been re-signed with the words "All Way" ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tessa c2 Posted February 1, 2008 Share #21 Posted February 1, 2008 I usually don't get to wrapped up in this stuff, and there is just a few statements i'd like to say, and i don't see the things happening that a lot of you do because we just don't have the population here, it's to bad that we haven't learned anything from all the hasles that our US friends had to endure while growing up, but our government just has nothing for balls. and are a bunch of whooses, in our area we have a very mix culture, they are norweigens, russians, ukaraine, menoniets, hutteriets, french,and english, chinees, basicly a good mixture, they all where just to happy to come to canada, they learned the language, and tried to adopt to the canadian ways, they where all very happy that they could leave their old country, and start over again, and they are thankful they are canadians. maybe some of the people that we are letting in just didn't have to tighten there belts too much to leave there old countrys, now adays they just buy there way in, these are the people who are giving us the trouble, maybe the government should set out a new set of rules on who can come into the country. that's my 2 bits worth, just hope you guys in ontario do the right thing. pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freebird Posted February 1, 2008 Share #22 Posted February 1, 2008 I should re-state my response about Swifty's post. I don't want to get into any details but I do need to say that though my opinion about this differ from his, that is not to say that there is no basis for what he says. Like I said, I base my political beliefs much on what I have experienced in my life. Having been raised in Texas, I have lived and remember well the segregated schools and etc. I was in the 7th grade when my little town first started desegregating the schools and it was my freshman year in high school when they were completely desegregated. So, I've experienced both. I know first hand the problems and advantages of both systems but to get into it here would go against all that I've stated as to the rules on this site. So, I just want to say that I do understand where Swifty is coming from but I think the issue is very complex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sailor Posted February 1, 2008 Share #23 Posted February 1, 2008 Someone said "Ain't socialism grand". Don't confuse Socialism with Communism. China, Russia and Cuba have Communism. Canada, England, France and nearly all north European nations have some form of socialism. Socialism is merely universal social programs such as health care which have nothing to do with the government. Our problems are largely the result of bleeding heart, overly politically correct people and the wussie politicians who are afraid of them. Usually the second generation of immigrants adapt much better to their new country so long as they are not kept isolated in segregated schools and communities where they learn the hatreds and predujices of their fathers and mothers. Education is the key to integration. They should keep the good stuff (such as ethnic foods and dress) and get rid of the bad stuff ( such as racial, sexism, etc.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oilpatchbiker Posted February 3, 2008 Share #24 Posted February 3, 2008 Since Canada is a confederacy, why not just give each race, ethnic group, religion, etc., etc., its own province? Might have to subdivide the provinces to get enough divisions, but Canada has the room. What would we do with "The Gap"? (This being the gap between Alberta and Manitoba, occasionally referred to as Saskatchewan)!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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