titansedriver Posted February 12, 2011 Share #1 Posted February 12, 2011 I started my 89 Venture this afternoon and left it running at idle sped to warm up--came back a few minutes later and noticed a werrrrrring sound coming from the lower front of engine--sounded very strange so I began investigating while it was running--after a few minutes it just "shut down"-at about this same time I noticed that my "starter button" had stuck "in" when I started the bike----OK---what do you guys think I ruined when this happened----I tried to restart it and nothing----the battery was hot as fire and showed no charge--i have taken it out and placed it on battery tender charge for tonight---I was just wondering what I might have shorted out or burnt up when the Starter button stuck in......thanks.............Larry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dingy Posted February 12, 2011 Share #2 Posted February 12, 2011 (edited) I started my 89 Venture this afternoon and left it running at idle sped to warm up--came back a few minutes later and noticed a werrrrrring sound coming from the lower front of engine--sounded very strange so I began investigating while it was running--after a few minutes it just "shut down"-at about this same time I noticed that my "starter button" had stuck "in" when I started the bike----OK---what do you guys think I ruined when this happened----I tried to restart it and nothing----the battery was hot as fire and showed no charge--i have taken it out and placed it on battery tender charge for tonight---I was just wondering what I might have shorted out or burnt up when the Starter button stuck in......thanks.............Larry Not really sure how the battery will weather that incident. I would be concerned about the windings in the starter though. They had to receive as much current as the battery did. Here is a link to a thread about cleaning the switch that stuck. http://www.venturerider.org/forum/showthread.php?t=42433 Gary Edited February 12, 2011 by dingy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkuhr Posted February 12, 2011 Share #3 Posted February 12, 2011 Aside from the battery, I would be very concerned about the starter brushes. If the starter windings survived the heat of the long run, the brushes are probably very well worn down, and I would recommend at the minimum, a disassembly inspection, with thoughts toward brush replacement. Running a starter with worn out brushes WILL destroy an otherwise servicable communitators (armature) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyinfool Posted February 12, 2011 Share #4 Posted February 12, 2011 I would start by do ing just what you are doing. Let everything cool off first. Check the water level in the battery, if it that type Then put the battery on a slow charge. Check the fluid again after charging. Put the battery back in an see what you have left. It is possible that you did not do to much damage to the brushes since there was no load on the starter, it was just spinning. If you are lucky, it just stopped when the battery no longer had enough power to hold in the solenoid. The charging system at idle would not put out near enough power to run the starter, even with no load on the starter, so it ran the battery down. The charging system Worst case would be a fried battery, and starter. I hope you are lucky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiCarl Posted February 12, 2011 Share #5 Posted February 12, 2011 As soon as that battery cools down you need to get it on a charger (2A for 12 hours), most tenders won't charge a deeply discharged battery. If it spends any time deep discharged it'll be junk for sure. If it's low on electrolyte just add enough distilled water to cover the plates - the water level will rise as it charges. Bring it up to normal level (if you need to) after it charges. Once the button is unstuck I'd try it. If it'll crank normally you know that the commutator and windings are probably ok. If not have the battery checked out. If the battery is good you probably have a major starter rebuild in your future. Finally, I'd have a look at the starter brushes to make sure they still had usable length. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yammer Dan Posted February 12, 2011 Share #6 Posted February 12, 2011 Had my 85 stick like that couldn't figure out why headlight wouldn't burn. Didn't seem to hurt it any. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
titansedriver Posted February 12, 2011 Author Share #7 Posted February 12, 2011 OK guys--I think my starter is fried---Major question----Do I have to take the Outside cover off to remove the starter---I have the bolts out but it seems to still be hanging on to something---it's loose but will not come out .......................Larry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squeeze Posted February 12, 2011 Share #8 Posted February 12, 2011 No, just undo the two Bolts where the Cable goes into the Starter Hausing and the pull the Starter out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiCarl Posted February 12, 2011 Share #9 Posted February 12, 2011 Nope, the side cover doesn't have anything to do with it. The big magnet in the rotor will fight you trying to pull it off. If you got it at all loose you might end up with an oil leak if you don't clean it up and replace the gasket. Unfortunately, to get the starter off you're going to have to get the thermostat housing out of the way. As a practical matter this means pulling the radiator too. You're sure you have a good battery in there? You can hear the starter relay click? Battery voltage tests 12.5V + AFTER you try to engage the starter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
titansedriver Posted February 12, 2011 Author Share #10 Posted February 12, 2011 Ok guys--got starter off---took the 2 looong bolts out and sklid the front and back cover off---I have enough Brass -Copper & Metal fall out in small tiny pieces to fill the palm off my hand---not good huh?------ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snaggletooth Posted February 12, 2011 Share #11 Posted February 12, 2011 Ummmmm....nope. Good time to good for a 4 brush starter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squeeze Posted February 12, 2011 Share #12 Posted February 12, 2011 I'm sorry to hear, sound pretty much like it's time for a new Starter Motor ... P.S. The Starter doesn't engage to the Rotor. There are a Bunch of reducer Gears sitting behind the Stator Cover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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