Mike and I personally love the tshirts. However, we would rather have a rally without the tshirts, patches, etc and get to see everyone than no rally. I do think that we should look at other places to eat other than Fatz that are capable of handling a crowd of us. I liked the meal this year even if we had Jamie on the grill and he was busy cooking. I think length of time is too short, but I wouldn't change it just to suit me. A lot of work goes into preparing for Vogel. And adding a day or even two with everything you, Charlene, Jamie and Paula, do to make this an awesome rally year after year can't be left unsaid. Mike and I truly appreciate the vacation time you put together for us every rally. I hope that in 2 years we have a bigger and better rally with a large turnout.