fixit3546 Posted December 6, 2013 Share #1 Posted December 6, 2013 I need a new one for the 88, is there a difference in a 18LBS; 19LBS; 20LBS?? Some dealers tell me i need the 18LBS but i have found reference to the 19 & 20 LBS as well. I'm thinking the only difference is the CCA........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yammer Dan Posted December 6, 2013 Share #2 Posted December 6, 2013 Pretty sure it is the 18. You going AGM? Best by far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fixit3546 Posted December 6, 2013 Author Share #3 Posted December 6, 2013 Pretty sure it is the 18. You going AGM? Best by far. Probably just whatever my local dealer has, it needs some other work I'd like to get some of that done first. it may have to sit a while while i complete the rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yammer Dan Posted December 6, 2013 Share #4 Posted December 6, 2013 The glass Matt (AGM) battery is a great improvement for these things. Check with Sky-Doc. You can probally come out with better battery cheaper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skydoc_17 Posted December 6, 2013 Share #5 Posted December 6, 2013 Hey James, The 18L, 19L, 20L denotes the physical size of the battery. Your First Gen. scoot takes the 18L. The Second gen. bikes take the 20L. Because the electrical demand is larger on the First Gen. bikes, it uses a larger battery. Not to say that a 20L battery wouldn't start your bike, but there would not be much "reserve" power for times like a "hot start" with the two brush starter you currently have on your bike. Also the output of the stock stator on the First Gens. is relatively low, so you will need all of the reserve battery power you can get. Because the price of lead/acid batteries has risen dramatically lately, the AGM battery is an even better deal now. More cranking amps, longer battery life, and zero maintenance. By the way, good luck with your projects on your MKII VR! Earl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squidley Posted December 6, 2013 Share #6 Posted December 6, 2013 I just purchased this one for my '83 4 days ago [ame=http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004D8K58C/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1]Amazon.com: Deka Sports Power ETX-18L: Sports & Outdoors@@AMEPARAM@@http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41tHis56eCL.@@AMEPARAM@@41tHis56eCL[/ame] I have one in my '86 and love it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yammer Dan Posted December 6, 2013 Share #7 Posted December 6, 2013 Good Deal Squidley. Don't remember what Earl charges but they do have all the advantages that were listed. Cured my hot starts. And just starts better. I was going thru Cabella's last month and found a AGM on the discount rack for 51 bucks!!! I have the bigger cables so I'm probally looking at having to install that 4-brush on the shelf beside that extra battery. But you can ask Freebird, I don't have many extra parts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fixit3546 Posted December 7, 2013 Author Share #8 Posted December 7, 2013 Hey James, The 18L, 19L, 20L denotes the physical size of the battery. Your First Gen. scoot takes the 18L. The Second gen. bikes take the 20L. Because the electrical demand is larger on the First Gen. bikes, it uses a larger battery. Not to say that a 20L battery wouldn't start your bike, but there would not be much "reserve" power for times like a "hot start" with the two brush starter you currently have on your bike. Also the output of the stock stator on the First Gens. is relatively low, so you will need all of the reserve battery power you can get. Because the price of lead/acid batteries has risen dramatically lately, the AGM battery is an even better deal now. More cranking amps, longer battery life, and zero maintenance. By the way, good luck with your projects on your MKII VR! Earl Thanks, My local O'Rileys has an AGM battery for $94.00. not sure of the brand but i'll try it.......This site (it's folks) just keep giving and giving....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squidley Posted December 7, 2013 Share #9 Posted December 7, 2013 Good Deal Squidley. Don't remember what Earl charges but they do have all the advantages that were listed. Cured my hot starts. And just starts better. I was going thru Cabella's last month and found a AGM on the discount rack for 51 bucks!!! I have the bigger cables so I'm probally looking at having to install that 4-brush on the shelf beside that extra battery. But you can ask Freebird, I don't have many extra parts. My Deka battery just came in today, and I installed it. One thing I am certain of, the starter makes all the difference in the world. I have a 2nd gen starter on the '86 with the upgrade wires and it spins it around REALLY fast hot or cold. If you can find a 2nd gen starter on ebay it's a direct swap, fit right in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dingy Posted December 7, 2013 Share #10 Posted December 7, 2013 My Deka battery just came in today, and I installed it. One thing I am certain of, the starter makes all the difference in the world. I have a 2nd gen starter on the '86 with the upgrade wires and it spins it around REALLY fast hot or cold. If you can find a 2nd gen starter on ebay it's a direct swap, fit right in. The one you linked to above has the battery posts flipped for use in a 1st gen I think. I believe the one that is needed is a Deka 18, not the 18L Been wrong one other time though. Hate when that happens. Gary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tx2sturgis Posted December 7, 2013 Share #11 Posted December 7, 2013 Been wrong one other time though. Hate when that happens. Really? Can you share that experience? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgeS Posted December 8, 2013 Share #12 Posted December 8, 2013 Thanks, My local O'Rileys has an AGM battery for $94.00. not sure of the brand but i'll try it.......This site (it's folks) just keep giving and giving....... Before you buy one at O'rileys, be sure its NOT Made in China !! I bought one for the CX-500, AGM type, Only lasted about 10MO. Get the U.S. made DEKA, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dingy Posted December 8, 2013 Share #13 Posted December 8, 2013 Really? Can you share that experience? That would have been first marriage, other than two boys I have, it was a mess. Gary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dna9656 Posted December 8, 2013 Share #14 Posted December 8, 2013 Showing my ignorance here, WHAT year do the "2nd gens" start? With the 1300 motor or the name/body style change? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgeS Posted December 8, 2013 Share #15 Posted December 8, 2013 97 I think, 1300 motor, small carbs. I think 01 or 02 went to the larger size carbs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dna9656 Posted December 8, 2013 Share #16 Posted December 8, 2013 So the recommended starter for my 1st get is a starter from a a '97 XVZ 1300 CORRECT? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squidley Posted December 8, 2013 Share #17 Posted December 8, 2013 So the recommended starter for my 1st get is a starter from a a '97 XVZ 1300 CORRECT? I can't say for sure for the early Royal Stars, but I positively know that any starter from the '99 to present RSV will work. I have a starter that came off a '99 RSV on my bike.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dingy Posted December 8, 2013 Share #18 Posted December 8, 2013 So the recommended starter for my 1st get is a starter from a a '97 XVZ 1300 CORRECT? Looks like 96 and on Royal Stars, any 2nd gen Venture. Also VMaxs from 94 on will have the 4 brush starter you want. Key is to look at parts fiche and see if the brush set is p/n 3AJ-80801-00-00, this is the 4 brush starter brush set. Attached is a picture of part fiche for the 96 Royal Star. Link to web site is: http://www.boats.net/parts/search/Yamaha/Motorcycle/1996/V-MAX%20-%20VMX1200H/STARTING%20MOTOR/parts.html Gary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dingy Posted December 8, 2013 Share #19 Posted December 8, 2013 I can't say for sure for the early Royal Stars, but I positively know that any starter from the '99 to present RSV will work. I have a starter that came off a '99 RSV on my bike.... Squidley, I refer you to thread below !! http://www.venturerider.org/forum/showthread.php?t=58880 I would think a fine Naval NCO such as yourself would do this. Gary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squidley Posted December 8, 2013 Share #20 Posted December 8, 2013 Squidley, I refer you to thread below !! http://www.venturerider.org/forum/showthread.php?t=58880 I would think a fine Naval NCO such as yourself would do this. Gary LMAO! Point taken Marine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howard B Posted December 11, 2013 Share #21 Posted December 11, 2013 Now I know this a little off subject but I can't find it anywhere else. Is there a way to determine if the starter is a 2 brush or a 4 brush without the obvious method of removing it? Part number, a marking of some sort, or just saying 4 or 2. Not having a garage to disassemble in, I would rather not take it apart in a campground, only to discover i can't do the job. We live full time in a motorhome. The only "garage" is the rack on the rear of the motorhome. Thanks for any information anyone can provide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dna9656 Posted December 11, 2013 Share #22 Posted December 11, 2013 (edited) The thread has me confused, (something that's getting easier to do as I go through life) Maybe I'm not being clear. I have a 1985 and a 1985 1st gen Venture Royale. I'm interested in upgrading the starters for more reliability and better starter performance. I gather starters from later bikes can be used OR the starter I have can be upgraded. I'm not sure. So what is the upgrade that can be made to my starter(s) ? What starters will fit that are already a better (incorporate the upgrade) starter as an upgraded starter? Edited December 11, 2013 by dna9656 missing info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venturous Randy Posted December 11, 2013 Share #23 Posted December 11, 2013 dna, one upgrade on the two brush starters is to do the ground mod. http://www.venturerider.org/forum/showthread.php?t=46890 If you will scroll down to the tech libraries, you may find several things that will help you out. RandyA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dna9656 Posted December 11, 2013 Share #24 Posted December 11, 2013 Another issue for me anyway is confusion between Royal Star, Venture, Venture Royale, Royale Star Venture. All seem to be discussed everywhere on the site. Do Royal Star bikes have much in common with The Venture/ Venture Royale/ Royal Star Venture Bikes? I'm trying to learn the differences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pegasus1300 Posted December 11, 2013 Share #25 Posted December 11, 2013 DNA 1983 to 1992 Venture/Venture Royale 2 brush starter 1996 to 2002 Royal Star all models 4 brush starter 1999 to 2013 Royal Star Venture 4 brush starter 2005 to 2009 Royal Star Tour Deluxe 4 brush starter All the above use the 1200/1300 v4 motor with some variations in the internals and carbs and transmission. Hope this helps on the confusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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