Great White Posted November 20, 2015 Share #1 Posted November 20, 2015 (edited) Getting ready to weld up the muffler mounts but I can't decide between having them stick out the back or tuck in under the side boxes. Muff in: http://i1174.photobucket.com/albums/r618/justonepict/1778CDF1-C787-4C5D-A35F-B7D99EB9E298_zpslcpwkgqr.jpg Muff out: http://i1174.photobucket.com/albums/r618/justonepict/B80B50D6-F3AF-4401-8612-B4C9369526C5_zpsxp4nbulu.jpg Muff in: http://i1174.photobucket.com/albums/r618/justonepict/06404828-5B99-41C5-8237-3E94D7968A2D_zpseu0j7xed.jpg Muff out: http://i1174.photobucket.com/albums/r618/justonepict/71680BCB-2A28-44EB-91B2-50BB6B26805B_zps3rwyyjgs.jpg Muff in: http://i1174.photobucket.com/albums/r618/justonepict/410F5D56-CE8B-4C49-A256-280F2126A42C_zpsjnymzbun.jpg Muff out: http://i1174.photobucket.com/albums/r618/justonepict/546E519F-E245-4363-A44F-F29E611E559C_zpstwdenolq.jpg But it's not as simple as just looks. If I do Muff in, I have to push it further out towards the outer edge of the side box due to muffler and swingarm clearance. Pushing them out means the R1 black shield doesn't look right and I'll have to do some cutting/cleaning brackets on the muffler (IE: you'll see the ugly bracket). Further out also means I could run into ground clearance issues when cornering hard. If I do Muff out, I can tuck the muffler in behind the swingarm and all the above issues disappear. But then I have the muffler tip sticking out the back and I just can't decide if I like that look. Functionally, muff out makes sense. Aesthetically, I think I lean towards Muff in. So, whatcha think? Please refrain from saying things like I wouldn't put them on or they look gross. It's my bike built to my tastes and they're going on. Edited November 20, 2015 by Great White Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zagger Posted November 20, 2015 Share #2 Posted November 20, 2015 If they are not "out", they will leave sooty stuff on your chrome bumper. zag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howard B Posted November 20, 2015 Share #3 Posted November 20, 2015 what he said. Above me. However, if you enjoy cleaning do it muff IN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great White Posted November 20, 2015 Author Share #4 Posted November 20, 2015 The "bumper" is going to be painted black I think. But good point! muff out is sounding better the more I think about it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilvrT Posted November 20, 2015 Share #5 Posted November 20, 2015 I always preferred the muff out ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowpuc Posted November 20, 2015 Share #6 Posted November 20, 2015 Those are bad to the bone!! I like the looks of the muff out,,, as much fun as your having doing this and as good as you are at it - might as well show em off GW!! Also, not only the soot on the chrome but you may also get more smelly exhaust up in the air of the cockpit with em hidden.. "Out" gets my vote.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zzyzx Posted November 21, 2015 Share #7 Posted November 21, 2015 I like the look of the Muff Out but, how would they look and install if you maybe split the difference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbig1 Posted November 21, 2015 Share #8 Posted November 21, 2015 I like muff out. Did you notice your wheel is green?? lol:nanner: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great White Posted November 21, 2015 Author Share #9 Posted November 21, 2015 (edited) I like the look of the Muff Out but, how would they look and install if you maybe split the difference? That is what I actually ended up doing. Not so much by choice, but the space limitations demanded it. It was a compromise between clearing the axle, clearing the luggage rack and fitting the pipe so it would clear to the swingarm. I had started with a rubber bushing mount to take up some of the pipe expansion and keep vibration down. But it quickly became obvious that was not going to fit in the space available. I ended up having to drill a hole in the lower bar of the side box brace and welding in a steel sleeve to give it strength back and to install the bolt. Looks like so: http://i1174.photobucket.com/albums/r618/justonepict/43DC3C0F-A714-4600-9B3E-C8A055166598_zpsp2z3dqgx.jpg http://i1174.photobucket.com/albums/r618/justonepict/AB0131B2-348D-4970-BC61-DAB1A8A1A81F_zpsjrh7vkut.jpg It's out a little further to the side than I wanted and I'll have to ditch the black heat shields and cut their brackets off. I'll have to leave the bottom screws out of hte "bumper" since they're right over the muffler. If I put them in then I'd have to remove the mufflers every time I did a tire change and I just finished modifying the bike so a tire change can be done on the center stand and rolling the rear tire right out the back. What I might do is cut the heads of a couple screws and install them in the clip nuts like studs. The way I can just slip the lower bumper holes over them to keep it in place and the upper screws and the reflector screws will secure it. Overall I'm ok with where it ended up. Hopefully it's high enough that I don't touch muff down in corners. I'm thinking it's good and I'll end up dragging the crash bars before the muff. I did loose and inch in the 17" wheel conversion, but I'm going to claim that back when I make the ZG1400 shock mounts. Edited November 21, 2015 by Great White Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bongobobny Posted November 21, 2015 Share #10 Posted November 21, 2015 Another vote for muff out... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zzyzx Posted November 21, 2015 Share #11 Posted November 21, 2015 Nice Look! Split the bumper split and centering the In/Out gives it a great profile complementing the bumper wrap around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great White Posted November 21, 2015 Author Share #12 Posted November 21, 2015 I was looking at it and I couldn't bring myself to hard mount the muffler and risk undue vibration through the chassis. So I popped out and bought some 3/4" pipe. Cut it the width and mig-ed it in. In went a rubber bush and a steel sleeve from some muffler mounts I had in the scrap bin. Now it's mounted in a nice rubber isolator to reduce vibes and allow for some expansion of the pipes as they heat. I pulled the mufflers in to the center a little more by trading off having a little bit more sticking out the back. They were just out too far for my liking. Don't want to drag 'em in the corners. Now to mount the other side. A nice surprise is that after I sliced the R1 end off the pipe (Ti cut easy, but dressing it out is a biotch as it work hardens as it cuts), it measured out at 1.75". the collector out measures 1.75 at the gasket. Should just be a simple matter of bending up a pipe and a couple pipe flares. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great White Posted November 22, 2015 Author Share #13 Posted November 22, 2015 (edited) Pretty much the finished product, just a little tweaking left: http://i1174.photobucket.com/albums/r618/justonepict/03C52F6F-51DE-4D0A-BDBF-FB2176188C20_zps1nkemrqs.jpg http://i1174.photobucket.com/albums/r618/justonepict/C1C3EDEE-43EF-48E6-9B04-CE5D72731BFE_zpsedsmalxo.jpg Betcha didn't know I was building a hover bike didja? Edited November 22, 2015 by Great White Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camos Posted November 22, 2015 Share #14 Posted November 22, 2015 Pretty much the finished product, just a little tweaking left: Betcha didn't know I was building a hover bike didja? It looks very hot-rodish with the black tips fully exposed. Not withstanding the practical reasons you gave for moving them out and even though you accidentally made the best looking choice.... Well done!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great adVENTURE Posted November 22, 2015 Share #15 Posted November 22, 2015 I'm for all in the muff, but when it comes to the bike tip out always looks better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XV1100SE Posted November 22, 2015 Share #16 Posted November 22, 2015 Looks good ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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