naturbar Posted November 20, 2009 Share #1 Posted November 20, 2009 is it ok to ride two up (my wife) during PGR missions? what is best way to mount the flag on a RSTD and where? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kregerdoodle Posted November 20, 2009 Share #2 Posted November 20, 2009 sure you can ride 2-up....not a problem. I have seen those SS fishing rod holders used and are mounted to the bag rails, but the best way is to attch. to a hitch if you have one.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoomerCPO Posted November 20, 2009 Share #3 Posted November 20, 2009 2 up riding is no problem for attendance at a PGR Mission. NO blocking duty is allowed with 2 up on any Mission. Whatever method you use to attach your Flag on your bike make sure it is strong and secure. Having the Flag or pole come off when you are on the highway puts the legal responsibility on YOU. If you are unsure about a safe/strong method I suggest you forego this until you have had a chance to see the mounting methods used by experienced PGR Members. Get to the Mission Staging Area early to allow yourself time to check out the various methods used for Flag mounts. Thank you for joining the Patriot Guard. Regards and respect......Boomer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naturbar Posted November 20, 2009 Author Share #4 Posted November 20, 2009 2 up riding is no problem for attendance at a PGR Mission. NO blocking duty is allowed with 2 up on any Mission. Whatever method you use to attach your Flag on your bike make sure it is strong and secure. Having the Flag or pole come off when you are on the highway puts the legal responsibility on YOU. If you are unsure about a safe/strong method I suggest you forego this until you have had a chance to see the mounting methods used by experienced PGR Members. Get to the Mission Staging Area early to allow yourself time to check out the various methods used for Flag mounts. Thank you for joining the Patriot Guard. Regards and respect......Boomer boomer, first let me thank you for your part in the PGR. second please forgive my ignorance, what do you mean when you say "no blocking duty allowed w/ 2 up" and what exactly would be our part in the mission? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loehring Posted November 20, 2009 Share #5 Posted November 20, 2009 There should never be an issue with a passenger for a PGR mission. Every state has some of it's own little things but that's not one anywhere I know of. Best thing to do is to contact your State Captain. As for the flag mounts, I have some pictures of what I've done but they are too big to upload so send me an email address and I'll send you the pics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoomerCPO Posted November 20, 2009 Share #6 Posted November 20, 2009 boomer, first let me thank you for your part in the PGR. second please forgive my ignorance, what do you mean when you say "no blocking duty allowed w/ 2 up" and what exactly would be our part in the mission? Depending upon the number of Riders present at a Mission the Ride Captain has the option of using Riders for Blocking Duty....ie: When the procession approaches a busy Intersection the assigned Blockers will place their bikes in such a manner as to prohibit vehicles from entering the Intersection until the entire procession has safely gone through. In many States this action is ILLEGAL but it is still done regardless. The Patriot Guard is known and respected by the LEO Community and as such Blocking is allowed. Blockers are volunteers and assume responsibility for their own actions and any injury that may occur. Normally only experienced Riders known by the RC are selected ......and having 2 Up for Blocker Duty inhibits the Rider from taking evasive maneuvers if needed.....not to mention putting an extra person in harms way. Your part in the Mission will be determined at the Staging Area by the Ride Captain in charge of the Mission. A pre-Mission Briefing is always conducted by the RC for the benefit of all. THIS IS THE TIME TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS......and there is no such thing as a stupid question!! There is a LOT of work done behind the scenes by the Ride Captain prior to any Mission. Don't be shy about getting all the info you need from your RC. He is the one responsible for the safety of all Riders and the overall completion of the Mission. Regards and ride safe......Boomer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naturbar Posted November 20, 2009 Author Share #7 Posted November 20, 2009 thank you Loehring and 'roger' that Boomer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheradan Posted November 20, 2009 Share #8 Posted November 20, 2009 Is PGR only veterans? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoomerCPO Posted November 20, 2009 Share #9 Posted November 20, 2009 I put emphasis on the Ride Captain because your State Captain my not attend every Mission.....but there will always be a Ride Captain there to do the Mission. Also....All of your State's Leadership Team should be listed on a Thread within your State Forum on the PGR website. E-mail addy's and even cell phone numbers can be found there for your use. Again,Thank You for joining the Patriot Guard.....and be prepared to shed a few tears at the Mission.....which is why we all wear sunglasses. God Bless and ride safe.........Boomer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoomerCPO Posted November 20, 2009 Share #10 Posted November 20, 2009 Is PGR only veterans? NO. We ask only that you read our Mission Statement and agree with it. You don't even have to own/ride a motorcycle. It is all about RESPECT and HONOR for those who have paid the ultimate price for our freedom. Our presence does mean a lot to the family/friends of the deceased. We do not take that responsibility lightly. Regards......Boomer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dynodon Posted November 21, 2009 Share #11 Posted November 21, 2009 Boomer, I am a non-veteran PGR rider. Been doing missions for 2+ years now. With respect to your comments about blocking, I was under the impression that PGR national site had posted that blocking was not allowed or very much discouraged on any PGR mission. Having said that, I have seen it done on missions I have been on, and other rides. Of course if the LEO (Law Enforcement Officer for those that don't know the lingo) does the blocking, then that is OK. I can understand completely why PGR would not approve blocking by PGR riders, they want to reduce their liability. Just thought it would be good to mention this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Annie Posted November 21, 2009 Share #12 Posted November 21, 2009 I, too, am a proud PGR--even from over here I can stand for those who stood for us If we get our dream holiday to the states I hope to stand the flag line:thumbsup2: I think they would like to see an aussie flag in there too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loehring Posted November 21, 2009 Share #13 Posted November 21, 2009 Boomer, I am a non-veteran PGR rider. Been doing missions for 2+ years now. With respect to your comments about blocking, I was under the impression that PGR national site had posted that blocking was not allowed or very much discouraged on any PGR mission. Having said that, I have seen it done on missions I have been on, and other rides. Of course if the LEO (Law Enforcement Officer for those that don't know the lingo) does the blocking, then that is OK. I can understand completely why PGR would not approve blocking by PGR riders, they want to reduce their liability. Just thought it would be good to mention this.Don, "blocking" or "road guard" is something that really needs to be taken seriously. There are a lot of variables including route, speed, formation size etc. Here in GA we simply don't do it. I have been on charity rides where they allowed it and people were killed. We made the decision a few years ago that if there wasn't adequate LEO involvement we would limit the size of the escort. For example, if we had 75 bikes and no LEO from the church to the cemetery then we would assign 4 bikes to the hearse, possibly 4 for the immediate family and every one else would be dispatched to the cemetery as soon as the service started. They would be sent in groups of 10 and spaced by 2 minutes. Upon arrival at the cemetery they would prepare a flagline to receive the procession. Even with LEO support we will split the group if we have much more than 100 bikes. (50 in escort and 50 at the cemetery) The only time we all ride escort regardless of numbers is a LEO supported airport arrival. We just don't feel safe with it here. Some states may be different. I do feel very fortunate with the support we have from local LEO. We virtually always have at least 1 or 2 for veterans and with KIAs I've seen as many as 20 patrol cars and as many motors added to that. Blocking is the last thing on our minds. We just try and stay out of their was as they move from the rear to the front. Like Boomer said, every state is pretty autonomous. I know we have a National leadership but to be honest they pretty much just handle the site. Each state has incorporated as it's own non-profit and can tun completely on it's own if it has to. We try to be consistent but each state needs to make decisions based on what works in their state because LEO support, MC interference, etc. can vary from state to state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverdeer0454 Posted November 22, 2009 Share #14 Posted November 22, 2009 is it ok to ride two up (my wife) during PGR missions? what is best way to mount the flag on a RSTD and where? If you look at my profile albums I have a picture of a mount I made that holds a 3X5 flag on my 05 RSTD. It's a piece of cake to make and when I have a flag back there I don't even notice it. When I'm going to or coming from a PGR mission I use a long sock designed for one of my black powder rifles and I pull it over the flag. silverdeer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
straycatt Posted November 22, 2009 Share #15 Posted November 22, 2009 When I'm going to or coming from a PGR mission I use a long sock designed for one of my black powder rifles and I pull it over the flag. That's what I do. A universal gun sock is less than a $10 dollar bill at Wallyworld. Works great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davecb Posted November 24, 2009 Share #16 Posted November 24, 2009 Just have your wife join the PGR too. You do not have to be a veteran to join.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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