Money Venture Posted March 23, 2015 Share #1 Posted March 23, 2015 So, last weekend, I replaced the springs in the front of my 87. The old ones were 4-5 inches shorter than the new ones. There were 4-5 inch plugs that were inside the tube above the spring. The old springs were wound like a progressive spring so I am guessing they are a different brand like a Sonic? Anyway, I didn't use the spacer I just inverted the washer with the lip in it and used the factory cup under the threaded plugs. It sits right and rides nice. I am just curious if the PO replaced the old springs with the wrong ones or were they also worn out because with out air it was bottoming out in the driveway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowpuc Posted March 24, 2015 Share #2 Posted March 24, 2015 The old ones sound like stock springs to me.. The stockers use that insert as you describe so they are considerably shorter than Progressives. Seems like even stock springs had a progressively wound end on them (if I remember correctly).. I always run 3/4" of preload on my Progressives - its a little harder to get the caps started but I like the extra stance it gives the bike and the resistance to bottoming when I am trail riding.. I also run 12wt Belray for added stiffness and no air pressure. Ooppppsss,, just realized you are talking MK2, I only know about MK1's - probably totally different forks... I well, think I will post this anyway just to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dingy Posted March 24, 2015 Share #3 Posted March 24, 2015 Picture of stock & progressive spring with hardware for each. Stock is on bottom. MKI's & MKII's look identical for these parts. Gary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Money Venture Posted March 24, 2015 Author Share #4 Posted March 24, 2015 Yes, the bottom one is what I had. So they were just worn out. It rides so nice now. And sits at the right height too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiCarl Posted March 24, 2015 Share #5 Posted March 24, 2015 That original spring is what's called "dual rate", tight windings on one end then a sudden transition to loose. It'll be soft until the tight coils bind then it'll suddenly become stiffer. In a progressive spring the windings vary continuously along the spring. As individual coils bind the spring rate increases gradually rather than the sudden jump in the dual rate spring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaharly Posted March 24, 2015 Share #6 Posted March 24, 2015 Picture of stock & progressive spring with hardware for each. Stock is on bottom. MKI's & MKII's look identical for these parts. Gary Now correct me if I'm wrong here but aren't you missing the white spacers in the picture with your progressives? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin-vic-b.c. Posted March 24, 2015 Share #7 Posted March 24, 2015 Now correct me if I'm wrong here but aren't you missing the white spacers in the picture with your progressives? I could be incorrect but I think the white spacers are optional but I added like 3/4 inch spacers in on my 86 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaharly Posted March 24, 2015 Share #8 Posted March 24, 2015 I could be incorrect but I think the white spacers are optional but I added like 3/4 inch spacers in on my 86 Ok cool! I was just wondering because I plan to leave my spacers out when I do my springs so I have an excuse to use my CLASS system. Thanks for the quick reply Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dingy Posted March 24, 2015 Share #9 Posted March 24, 2015 The furnished spacers would go under the tube caps. I believe they are optional, leaving them out softens ride. Gary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyinfool Posted March 24, 2015 Share #10 Posted March 24, 2015 Does the length of the white spacer have an effect on the hight of the front end when the bike is completely unloaded, not even a driver? With my old worn out springs the top of my windshield clears the door frame to my shed by less than 1/8 inch, if the front sits any higher with the progressives it will hit going thru the door. If there is an increase in height, can I slide the fork tubes up in the triple tree to get the door clearance back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaharly Posted March 24, 2015 Share #11 Posted March 24, 2015 Does the length of the white spacer have an effect on the hight of the front end when the bike is completely unloaded, not even a driver? With my old worn out springs the top of my windshield clears the door frame to my shed by less than 1/8 inch, if the front sits any higher with the progressives it will hit going thru the door. If there is an increase in height, can I slide the fork tubes up in the triple tree to get the door clearance back? Time to get out the saws all and make a venture windshield shaped shaped door frame Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyinfool Posted March 24, 2015 Share #12 Posted March 24, 2015 Time to get out the saws all and make a venture windshield shaped shaped door frame That has already been thought of......... The shed is hled together with pan head screws. I already had to remove the center screw in the door frame for windshield clearance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prairiehammer Posted March 24, 2015 Share #13 Posted March 24, 2015 If there is an increase in height, can I slide the fork tubes up in the triple tree to get the door clearance back? I believe the air collar circlips will preclude sliding the inner forks up in the triple tree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brenner Posted March 24, 2015 Share #14 Posted March 24, 2015 I believe the air collar circlips will preclude sliding the inner forks up in the triple tree. I believe Prairiehammer is correct as I have a friend who tried lowering his venture to his preferred height and it was noted the air collar had to be removed to do this. On another note if anyone wants the Progressive Suspension installation instructions I can supply them. I personally ran the spacers as I prefer a stiffer suspension and higher ride height. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yammer Dan Posted March 24, 2015 Share #15 Posted March 24, 2015 Thanks Gary. I had a set I wasn't sure about. My remember ain't what it used to be...... Now I can label them and tuck them away. I knew you were good for something!!!:backinmyday:THANKS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yammer Dan Posted March 24, 2015 Share #16 Posted March 24, 2015 I like to tease Gary but we are lucky to have him around here. Don't know how one man can keep so much motorcycle knowledge under his hat!! Must be really a mess in there....... Dingy?? I'm gonna shut up now before I make myself sick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaharly Posted March 24, 2015 Share #17 Posted March 24, 2015 I believe Prairiehammer is correct as I have a friend who tried lowering his venture to his preferred height and it was noted the air collar had to be removed to do this. On another note if anyone wants the Progressive Suspension installation instructions I can supply them. I personally ran the spacers as I prefer a stiffer suspension and higher ride height. If I run into any snags tomorrow can I call you? I much prefer learning over the phone! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dingy Posted March 24, 2015 Share #18 Posted March 24, 2015 I like to tease Gary but we are lucky to have him around here. Don't know how one man can keep so much motorcycle knowledge under his hat!! Must be really a mess in there....... Dingy?? I'm gonna shut up now before I make myself sick. Your embarrassing yourself Dan. Go back to your corner. Gary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yammer Dan Posted March 25, 2015 Share #19 Posted March 25, 2015 I never came OUT!! I been Hacked!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eck Posted March 25, 2015 Share #20 Posted March 25, 2015 This thread has been moved from the Watering Hole section to the First Generation Venture Talk Section Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryZ Posted April 3, 2015 Share #21 Posted April 3, 2015 I may have just stumbled on the reason my '85 (with Progressive fork springs) doesn't drag hard parts until I run out of rear tire tread; I included a 1" spacer when assembling the forks! The '92 drags the center stand simply turning into the neighborhood when riding double. I have to run 71lbs of air in the '92 rear shock and rarely more than 55lbs in the '85. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyday58 Posted April 3, 2015 Share #22 Posted April 3, 2015 The old ones sound like stock springs to me.. The stockers use that insert as you describe so they are considerably shorter than Progressives. Seems like even stock springs had a progressively wound end on them (if I remember correctly).. I always run 3/4" of preload on my Progressives - its a little harder to get the caps started but I like the extra stance it gives the bike and the resistance to bottoming when I am trail riding.. I also run 12wt Belray for added stiffness and no air pressure. Ooppppsss,, just realized you are talking MK2, I only know about MK1's - probably totally different forks... I well, think I will post this anyway just to C'mon, folks, am I the ONLY one who wants to see a vid of Puc "trail riding" on a Venture??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonm. Posted April 4, 2015 Share #23 Posted April 4, 2015 no one mentioned you should be running less oil than OEM 400cc recommended because the NEW springs take up much more space. I found 360cc and 3/4" spacer makes the sag 2". Leaving 3.5 travel left. Be aware doing the oil by cc's added if usually wrong if you also changed the oil at the same time. Because of the spaces air can be trapped till the 1st ride. You need to use a "dip stick". to confirm both sides have the same amount. Motion Pro makes one to set the levels. I have the oil levels when on center stand approx. 15" from the top . All set and checked after doing a short ride. Putting too much oil in acts like a strong second spring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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