MartyRobin Posted June 30, 2011 Share #1 Posted June 30, 2011 I have an 88 VR. Last year the TCI nuked and I replaced it with the ignition from Checkloslovakia. Road for quite a while this spring now I'm having trouble with hot starts. Bike starts first time but won't start after being ridden for awhile. Will turn over once or twice then the starter disengages. Leave it set for an hour and come back to it and it will start. I don't know whats going on but the battery is good and when running charges at 12 volts. Anyone have any ideas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snaggletooth Posted June 30, 2011 Share #2 Posted June 30, 2011 (edited) Common problem called heat soak. Cheap fix .... clean starter, check brushes, do Dingys starter brush plate ground mod and clean all battery to starter and starter to ground connections. Oh yeah, up grade to the heavier battery cables to. Best and final fix. Replace stock 2 brush starter with a newer 4 brush set up. A DEKA AGM battery will be the final touch. Mike Edited June 30, 2011 by Snaggletooth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartyRobin Posted June 30, 2011 Author Share #3 Posted June 30, 2011 Where do I find that battery? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snaggletooth Posted June 30, 2011 Share #4 Posted June 30, 2011 Either bohannonbattery.com or PM skydoc_17. He sells them also. Best battery for the $$ in my books. Mine is going into it's 3rd season and still at its top performance. American made and tough as nails. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dingy Posted June 30, 2011 Share #5 Posted June 30, 2011 It really wasn't my upgrade it was Snag's. I just refined it a tad & took pictures. I am the self proclaimed 1st gen picture fairy. Gary http://www.venturerider.org/forum/showthread.php?t=46890 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squidley Posted June 30, 2011 Share #6 Posted June 30, 2011 I am the self proclaimed 1st gen picture fairy. The temptation is killing me right now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snaggletooth Posted June 30, 2011 Share #7 Posted June 30, 2011 There ya go with the finger pointing again! And I'm trying to keep a low profile. Geesh. Actually, the PO did a ground mod to the starter in my bike long before I got it. It was odd looking and complicated. Spring loaded. Ol' Dingy here made life simple with an easy wire job and took pics so everybody could see the process. So he did it!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dingy Posted June 30, 2011 Share #8 Posted June 30, 2011 The temptation is killing me right now Bite me and go for it. There is always the PM option. Gary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snaggletooth Posted June 30, 2011 Share #9 Posted June 30, 2011 The temptation is killing me right now I know............it's not easy when he sets himself up like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squidley Posted June 30, 2011 Share #10 Posted June 30, 2011 Bite me and go for it. There is always the PM option. Gary Ha Ha ha Ha ha ha ha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wizard765 Posted June 30, 2011 Share #11 Posted June 30, 2011 the starter from a 2nd gen will bolt right in and works fantastic.. Best thing I did this year besides the 2nd gear fix.. Picked mine up for $50 from Pinwall Cycle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bongobobny Posted June 30, 2011 Share #12 Posted June 30, 2011 Don't forget to upgrade your battery cables to thicker wire as well! The 1st gen cables are enemic to say the least... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartyRobin Posted June 30, 2011 Author Share #13 Posted June 30, 2011 Dingy or Snaggletooth- The 4 brush upgrade is that a kit sold through Yamaha or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snaggletooth Posted June 30, 2011 Share #14 Posted June 30, 2011 The 4 brush unit is a complete starter. The 2 and 4 brush units will both fit the bike and mount up the same. Only the parts between the two different starters do not interchange with each other. Well, I think the brushes will but the rest is a bit different. Watch eBay for a early V-Max starter. I got a used one from skydoc_17 a couple years back for $40.00. Dingy found his for $60.00. Bit cheaper than buying new. And these critters are tough. Last a long time. I have seen a lot of listings on eBay in the past for V-Max starters. Read carefully and ask questions. Some are not actually 4 brush units. Buyer beware. This was a post done by Dingy on the 4 brush unit. http://www.venturerider.org/forum/showthread.php?t=55537 Hope that explains the unit for you. NOTE! With replacing brushes use ONLY OEM or high quality brushes. When I first rebuilt my 2 brush unit I replaced brushes with a set I got off eBay for about $5.00. They lasted a year before they failed and shorted out. Very low quality carbon. Cost me a starter and some agravation. Learning experience. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dingy Posted June 30, 2011 Share #15 Posted June 30, 2011 2 and 4 brush starters have different brushes, not interchangeable. One way I think I have found to tell a 2 brush from a 4 brush on the outside is the winding screws that are only present in the 2 brush starters. In the 4 brush starters the windings are epoxied in place. Attached picture shows a 2 brush starter on top and the housing from a 4 brush starter below. The screw I am referring to is the one below & to right of 12V terminal on top starter. There are 4 of these around the mid line, one in each coil. 1990 & newer VMax's have the 4 brush starters in them. Gary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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