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Yamaha is unlikely to do anything about it but I did include what has happened in the Yamaha survey I just got in my email. Manufactures don't control the dealers, you can also do internet searches where people have problems with dealers and try to contact the manufacture to no avail, it always goes back to dealers are independent of the manufacture and the manufacture has no control over the dealer. This had to do with dealers in this case it was Honda motorcycle dealers refusing to do warranty work of all things. It sounds nice but the manufacture really has no control over how the dealer acts.

The finance company is not buying your old loan, that is a deal between you and the dealer, example: Vehicle is $30,000 dollars dealer give you $15,000 dollars for your vehicle but you still owe $12,000 dollars on it, so the actual balance of the new vehicle while reduced by $15,000 dollars on paper $12,000 dollars was rolled back into the price of the vehicle to cover the payoff of the trade in vehicle, so in effect only $3,000 dollars come off the price of the vehicle you are buying dropping it to $27,000 dollars, we won't get into adding tax, tag and title fees and such which would increase the cost. The new finance loan company has nothing to do with the payoff of the trade in and the dealer has to sell the trade in to recover their money which is not a bad deal for them as they are the ones who make the deal on the trade in and dealers make twice the profit from used vehicle sales then they do from new vehicle sales. If the dealer fails to pay off the loan on the trade in vehicle it falls on the owner that traded in the vehicle because that is who the finance company that issued the loan on the trade in vehicle has signed documents with. Now that owner is stuck having to pay not only their new vehicle payment but if they want to protect their credit they will now have to pay the old loan on the trade in vehicle until it is either paid off by the dealer or you pay it off but you have lost control of that vehicle either way.

Correct, sadly unless you can find reviews of said unethical dealer you have to trust that they are going to honest in their transaction with you. In all my years of buying and trading vehicles this is the first dealer who has given me trouble. It can happen to anyone and the only defense against it would be to only trade in paid off vehicles, sometimes we have and sometimes we have owned money. In the case of the Harley I owned money but was right side up in the loan, but sadly Destination Powersports is choosing to be either an unethical dealer or they are in financial trouble and are fixing to go out of business in which case the 3 year maintenance contract I purchased will also be a waste of money.

All you are doing is rolling over the balance owed into the new loan, the new loan still has nothing to do with the old bike, that is still all on the dealer, it also has nothing to do with HDFS as the new loan is paid to the dealer and it is the dealers responsibility to pay off the old loan per the sales contract. How ever if the dealer fails to pay off the old loan it is still your responsibility in the end. What the dealer gets out of it is they get to sell the used bike or car and in most cases dealers make more money on used car and bike sales than they make on their new car or bike sales.

I wipe down my bike after each ride so I really don't wash it, I use Bug Slide to clean off any bugs and light film from the ride, keeps the bike looking great that way and limits the amount of work if I just washed it one a week.

Harley Davidson Financial Services has already flagged the account to look for a payoff from the dealer but I am still the one responsible if the dealer does not hold up their end of the sales contract. So Harley is aware that Destination Powersports is in possession of the bike.

One thing, the tag, they completely screwed that up as well I can't even begin to try and resolve that for at least 30 days because the dealer has a electronic transaction on the tag, that is from where they traded to transfer the tag but were unable to do so for some reason, so they just went down and got a generic tag and called it quits. The tag office told me that and said go back to the dealer but the dealer is no longer talking to me so that is not an option. I will just wait the 30 days check for when their electronic pending has released and then I will just do a new tag.

The new bike is financed by another bank, so it is to late to cancel that sale as it has gone through and the bank has carried out their obligations. I have no issue with the new finance agreement with the bank. I do however want to warn anyone of the dealer practice of Destination Powersports that you will have been forewarned about them. Like I said having to continue to pay the Harley loan will not bankrupt us it is an unnecessary expense and we will seek remedy thought the legal system. I have the sales contract that lists how much they gave me for the Harley and how much was owed on the loan at the 20 day payoff amount. The dealer should have no leg to stand on in a court of law so it is stupid for them to even play this game with me. If in the end I end up paying off the Harley because the dealer goes out of business then it is an expensive lesson for me, but whom ever takes possession of that Harley will not be able to obtain a title for it due to the HDFS lean on the bike. All I can do is warn people about Destination Powersports dealer practices and if you decide to take a chance and do business with them and get burned then you can't say you were not warned if you read what I am going through with them.

Do a google search on "dealer not paying off trade in loan" and you will find a lot of very interesting reading and this is a documented dealer scam even consumer reports has done an article on. The finance company financed the new bike they have nothing to do with the old bike and have no requirement to pay off the old loan, that is all on the dealer.

The loan belongs to me even though the bike has been traded until the dealer payoffs the loan amount owed. cowpuc, that was the 20 day payoff amount that would be owed 20 days out. Standard for a dealer to get the 20 day payoff amount. So if you trade in a bike or car that has a balance on it the dealer makes their offer and agrees to payoff the balance of the loan, but you are still the one responsible for the loan until it is paid off. You can choose to ignore paying the monthly payments but once 30 days go by you will be shown as 30 days late on your credit report, not good. I am now two days away from the 30 day mark but I planned ahead and made the first payment so it would not be an issue and any over payment would be refunded to me by Harley Davidson as long as the dealer paid the original 20 day payoff amount like is in the sales contract. Now I am coming up on the second payment since trading the Harley in order to keep the Harley account in good standing. We have gone far enough it is clear the dealer has no intention of paying off the Harley loan in a timely manner if at all as they may be out of money and fixing to go out of business if you read about this dealer scam on the internet. If you don't pay the payment and the dealer does not pay off the loan as agreed then the finance company can come and repo the bike, but again you credit is ruined if you let that happen, now the good part if this will not bankrupt my wife and I as we can afford to carry this until it is resolved but the dealer is still running a scam by not paying off the trade in loan.

This one is beyond that see the thread about Dealer not paying off trade in. We have far bigger issues, I will eat the cost of the tag I have a far bigger fish to fry with Destination Powersports in Punta Gorda, Florida.

If you search the internet on dealers not paying off loans on trade ins you will find it comes up as dealer scam, even consumer reports has written about this dealer scam. I purchased my 2018 Yamaha Star Venture Transcontinental from Destination Powersports in Punta Gorda, Florida on April 25, 2018. The sales contract clearly documents how much they gave me for the Harley Davidson Ultra Limited Low and how much the payoff is for the trade in, the payoff was a 20 day payoff and is documented on the sales contract in the amount of $11,814.20. Destination Powersports is responsible to pay Harley Davidson Financial Services $11,814.20. As of May 22, 2018 Destination Powersports has failed to complete the payoff as agreed in the sales contract. I have been to their dealer twice now to inquire why they have not paid off the Harley Davidson I traded in. Today as I was there picking up the tag paperwork which they also screwed up and did not transfer my personal tag like they should have but they instead had a new generic tag issued instead. While there I again inquired why they have not paid off the Harley Davidson and what is it going to take to get them to pay it off. I told who I guess is a sales manager because no one will ID themselves to me nor will anyone direct me to someone with the authority to deal with this matter, but I told this person that if I have to make one more payment on the Harley I would have to hire an attorney to remedy this. This sales manager I guess is what he is wanted to go back to the tag, I told him forget about the tag I will eat the cost of getting another personal tag even though I should not have had to. So I again asked him what is it going to take and why has the Harley Davidson not been paid off yet? I am coming upon the second payment that I will have made on the Harley Davidson since I traded it in. The sales manager told me the conversation ended when I said the word attorney and refused to talk to me any further. I am now beyond pissed with Destination Powersports and will be leaving some very pointed reviews on their failure to payoff the Harley Davidson as agreed in the sales contract. Apparantly the way this dealer scam works on not paying off a trade in loan is the dealer is either 1. Out of money and fixing to go out of business 2. Letting the former owner pay the loan down through several payments and pocket the lower payoff difference while you had to continue to pay the loan to not fall into default and negatively impact your credit rating at which point the dealer has committed theft by pocketing the difference from the lower payoff as dealer profit so you would have to file a criminal complaint with the local police department. 3. They attempt to sell the trade in and do not pay off the trade in until it has sold to someone else again pocketing the lower payoff amount from the original payoff amount. Anyone who buys the vehicle that has not been paid off has another problem of titling the vehicle they just bought because it will still have a lean showing on it until the original finance contract is paid in full. I find it very sad that Destination Powersports has decided a good relationship with a new customer was not worth building and maintaining, I will never again do business with Destination Powersports nor will I recommend anyone do business with Destination Powersports. I sadly purchased a 3 year service contract with Destination Powersports that I now do not believe they will honor as the contract is supposed to cover all maintenance items in the service schedule for 3 years unlimited mileage. Once that contract is up there will be no more business with them at all. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. I will update this thread when the Harley Davidson gets paid off if it gets paid off, but it now looks like it will be a lawsuit and I may be paying off the $11,814.20 out of my pocket through the monthly payments of the original loan. I have already made one payment to keep the account in good standing and the second payment is coming due on June 1, 2018 making me into the Harley for two payments after it was traded in. I made the first one simply because the payment was coming due and I should have been refunded any overpayment by Harley Davidson Financial Services but Destination Powersports has now made it clear they are not honoring the sales contract to payoff the Harley Davidson. Destination Powersports will quickly eat up any additional profit they thought they were going to make off this trade in scam in attorneys fees so either way in the end they will be losers and their own dealer reputation suffers over their dealer scam of not paying off the trade in they agreed to.

Seems I spoke to soon about my tag. I got a post card to come pick up my paperwork for my tag from the dealer so I mounted CC Tour on the Star Venture so it would be ready to roll. Big mistake, the dealer failed to transfer my tag and instead had a new tag and number issued so I just lost my personal tag that you have to pay extra for. See new thread I am starting about Destination Powersports for how this entire sales transaction on my 2018 Yamaha Star Venture Transcontinental has just gone south, it will be a good read.

Harley Davidson likes to sell that image but really all you are buying with a Harley Davidson is a spot in the flock of sheep. Not bashing the Harley motorcycle as I owned one but it will be the only one I ever owned, but I am pointing out that you are not an individual on a Harley Davidson but instead just another sheep in the flock. After owning a Harley Davidson I really don't understand their popularity. My wife when we pass Harleys will go Baaa Baaa into the bluetooth intercom we have in our helmets (Sena 30K).

Who has ordered or transferred a personal tag to their Star Venture? I transferred my personal tag:

The Honda dealer I tried to buy the GoldWing Tour from is still sitting on the same stock and that is now a month ago when they did not want to do business with me to sell that Red GoldWing Tour DCT. https://hapscycle.com/Showroom/New-Inventory/NEW/Touring/2018?Manufacturer=Honda&Category=Motorcycles&mn=Goldwing&PriceLow=0 I have yet to see a 2018 GoldWing on the road in the wild down here in Southwest Florida.

I still have a hard time believing they have delivered 40 2018 GoldWings. I just looked up the GoldWing Tour on their site and they show 7 in stock, 1 Airbag model, 3 DCT models one in each color and 3 Manual transmission six speed models again one in each color. https://www.hondaofrussellville.com/default.asp?page=xCustomInventory#page=xCustomInventory&vt=motorcycle%20%2F%20scooter&year=2018&vc=touring The GoldWing Bagger they only have 6 in stock again 3 DCT one of each color and 3 Six Speed manuals one in each color. https://www.hondaofrussellville.com/default.asp?page=xCustomInventory#page=xCustomInventory&vt=motorcycle%20%2F%20scooter&year=2018&vc=sport%20touring&make=honda

Sorry cowpuc but I am going to call BS on a single Honda dealer already delivering 40 2018 GoldWings, dealers down here in Florida can hardly even get a 2018 GoldWing to put on their showroom floor and someone is claiming that one dealer has already received and sold 40 2018 GoldWings?

When I ride alone my front tire will only raise one PSI, the rear will go between one PSI and two PSI higher. Riding two up adds more weight and the tires heat up a little more.

Welcome, I had a 2013 Victory Cross Country Tour, enjoyed that bike but it had none of the electronics the Yamaha Star Venture Transcontinental has, The first thing I did when I picked up my Cross Country Tour was ride home and pulled off the cable clutch and installed the Victory hydraulic clutch system took me a total of one hour removing and installing. The Cross Country Tour was a nice bike and I enjoyed it but this Yamaha Star Venture Transcontinental is hands down a better motorcycle.

Took my wife for a ride today before the rains hit had 41.8 PSI in both the front and rear tires while cold. The tire pressure for the front tire went up 42 PSI and the rear tire went back and forth between 43 and 44 PSI during the ride. Bike runs great.

I have my rear damper set at 4 1/2 and it seems to be giving a good ride two up with my wife. I may just max it out at 5 though.

I use a battery tender to keep my batteries charged and maintained when I won't be on the bike for a few days. I did not see a battery tender SAE style lead anywhere on the Star Venture and could not find anything about it so I figured it did not come with a lead for a battery tender. I was wrong, after I had went out and purchased a lead at Northern Tool and I got home to install it on the bike connecting it to the battery with ring connectors I found to my surprise laying on top of the battery when I removed the seat a battery tender lead with ring connectors and the SAE style plug for connecting to a battery tender. So I connected the ring connectors to the battery and ran the lead to the left side cover where you can just put your fingers inside the front of the side cover and pull the lead out far enough to plug a battery tender to it to charge or maintain the battery. Also some small air compressors come with the SAE style lead so you can use the battery tender connector to power the small air compressor when needed. Some small air compressors come with a cigarette lighter style plug and you can use the power port on the left front of the fairing to power the compressor. At any rate check under the seat on top of the battery and you will likely find a supplied by Yamaha battery tender lead to install on the battery to charge/maintain the bike with a battery tender charger/maintainer.

Go by Northern Tool or a similar store, heck even a Walmart and pick up a small 12v tire pump that will plug into the AUX power port on the left side of the front fairing. I bought one that you set the tire pressure you want in this case 41 PSI and it will run until the gauge on the pump reaches 41 PSI then it shuts off.

One more item here, keeping the tire pressure at the factory pressures will help to keep tire cupping from occurring. Many things can cause tire cupping including bad roads that cause the tires to wear uneven resulting in cupping. But the number one cause of tire cupping is under dampened suspensions, with number two following closely behind is under inflated tires. That is one of the problems with the 2018 GoldWing Tour, the suspension is way under dampened and that is how Honda has gotten that ride on a cloud feel with it. The problem is and it has already been documented is that under dampening is causing tires to cup within 2,000 miles on the new 2018 GoldWing tour. When I sat on the 2018 GoldWing Tour in the show room I could easily make the front and rear suspension move up and down. The Yamaha Star Venture has far more dampening in it. The GoldWing Tour on the other hand can get a rocking motion going front to rear because it is so under dampened. The Yamaha Star Venture suspension is far better sorted out.