thanks monty,the schematics will be a BIG help,i'll get the old volt meter out and start tracking circuits,from the looks of it ,the relays are inside the fairing,is that correct and what is easiest way to get to them,and does each circuit (kickstand,starting,kill) have its own relay? how about the started motor does it have a solenoid, and where is it located?? thanks again you've been a big help