Dragonslayer
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My current feelings about bow hunting stems from an incident that happened the first year I lived here.
I had set up a ladder stand watching the field and had a doe walk straight to me during bow season. Due to the short distance I was almost sure I hit it good before it ran out of sight. When I got down there was not a speck of Blood trail. I still searched my property and the adjoining properties for days using the dog to help track. 3 days still no dead deer. I was sick about the possibility of wounding a deer and not retrieving it. For weeks I played the shot scene over and over in my head. I finally had to rule out one last scenario so I bought one of those hand held wand type metal detectors and went to the spot where the deer was standing when I shot. After a few minutes of crawling around on my knees I found the arrow under the leaves and a log where the deer had been standing. There was no signs of Blood or hair anywhere around or on the arrow.
I was relieved that I did not wound the deer and at the same time mad that I put myself through all of that.
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I get where your coming from too Bob.. Not saying in anyway, shape, manner or form that Kat fits into this category but it sort of seems like taking the responsibility of meticulously tracking wounded animal's has gone the same way as other examples of accepting personal responsibilities in some cases IMHO... Bottom line, if you run a broad head thru one and cant find it - you owe the wounded and dieing animal your complete undivided attention until the meat rotting clock runs out. If it's refrigrator cool ya got 3 days of walking a grid - if its still summer time warm, 36 hours, all to the tune of not returning to the tree stand till you have done all you can do. I know thru the years I have dropped em in their tracks with a broad head to the spine (hunting from tree stands A LOT = A BLAST!!) and also have cut major arteries and had em drop within 50 yards but = tracking and flat out DONT QUIT skills are a must for Bow Hunters.. I have found more than one in the pouring rain of October in Michigan by walking a grid FOR HOURS and because of pure stubborness - like Roller has mentioned - can thankfully count on one hand the ones that went to Coyote/Skunk/Possum food.
Only difference between my perspective and yours probably is I honestly think (and have found from experience by the amount of dead and decaying deer laying around after opening day of Gun Deer) that hunting them with a gun for the unskilled hunter can be almost worst than with a bow. It seems that some folks think that just cause the meat didnt fall when they pulled the trigger that a miss happened and, amazingly, lots of unknowing hunters will just shrug the shoulder and assume the deer is fine = majorly short sighted and wrong IMHO.
By the way Superman = CONGRATS on your new home purchase!!
Thanks also Puc,
I get it and your right using a gun is not an 100%guarantee. The mindset of the Hunter to me is the most important factor. I do not condone unethical and irresponsible hunting. The good thing is, on my twenty acres I have control, unless poachers try to trespass. Planning on investing in posted signs.
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Bob first. Congrats on the purchase of your place. As for the hunting I enjoy both gun and bow. I started bow hunting at 13 and gun at 16. Of all the deer that I have shot at with a bow only four were lost. I feel that if I can't get a good shot I don't take it and will let it walk.
Charles,
Thank you for your congratulations.
I too have enjoyed hunting for a lifetime with gun, bow and primitive weapons. Considering the hundreds of deer I've killed I deeply regret the few I've lost and not retrieved. I do acknowledge and respect the ethical sporting aspect of hunting and the right to do so. I do believe in fair chase and am personally committed to ethical standards in the practice and preservation of those legal rights.
I only hope for the opportunity to do so and enjoy this privilege with you and other like minded persons as circumstances might allow. Come on down.
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I'm well aware guns are better. His argument was guns give hunters an unfair advantage. I know what it's like to sit in a stand on a cold December morning. I want meat in my freezer. The does I have been seeing in my yard are so small it's sad. They barely stand to my midchest and I'm 5'6". Nah, the herds need to be thinned out. About ready to get a crossbow and start shooting them in my yard because they are plentiful. I can't shoot firearms in the county so I'd try that.
Hmmm,
This is where the hunting morality debate starts. I tend to avoid this debate because it is a lot like politics and religion. It's an argument you can not win. People on both sides of the argument are very adamant about there views. All sides of the argument have some validity so it boils down to personal views and opinions.
But for me:
I get no pleasure in killing but I do get satisfaction, sustenance and enjoyment from eating.
Morally I do not believe we should divorce ourselves from the process of gathering our food and pride my ability to be self sufficient if need be. Hunting, fishing and growing are basic skills I believe everyone should have.
With that said when I kill I feel it is my responsibility to the animal to do it as efficiently as possible. If a high powered rifle with a dialed in scope and practiced marksman skills are an unfair advantage over the animal. I say it is an advantage we owe the animal.
IMHO, I think those that don't understand this point should reevaluate their hunting philosophy.
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Congratulations on the Gentleman Farm Bob. Now, how long does it take to cut up the Dragons? How many do you need to get through the Winter?
Well at my house everyone has their job.
I shoot them. Usually about two maybe three a year which is plenty to get through the year. In Georgia we can kill 12 a year. Anymore than that and the meat tends to get freezer burned before its consumed.
The dog tracks them if necessary.
My son drags them if necessary, usually only a few yards to closest place riding lawn mower and trailer can reach. He also will field dress them under my direct supervision. Got that down to about ten minutes.
The processor down the road butchers and packages the meet and does the taxidermy if requested. We all use to do this ourselves but we decided it was far easier to pay the man to do it then do it ourselves. This way I can shoot one from the porch and be back on the sofa watching tv in about 30 minutes.
Christine my roommate, manages the freezer and cooks the meat.
We all eat it. Usually about two venison meals per week.
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Congrats on the home.
So hunting season for us Ventureriders is when? Lol Seriously, I do need somewhere and someone to teach Mike hunting and all the rules. Legally I shouldn't. He wants to take up bow hunting, which I said was fine if he understood the work and expense involved. I don't think he does.
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I don't bow hunt anymore for this reason. There is a greater chance that you will wound and not retrieve the deer with archery than gun hunting. I only kill one or two a year for the freezer and no longer hunt for the sport value. Granted bow hunting is more of a sport but for eating purposes guns are more efficient.
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Well kinda,
Not really planning on farming but, it feels like I just bought a farm, albeit a small farm. Over the past three years I've been renting with option to buy my little twenty acres of Paradise and home. The clock was running out on my lease. I was forced the make a decision to buy or move by the end of the year.
I could bought a bigger and newer house for less money but not with the acreage. Considering moving was the last thing I wanted to do and the fact I love the privacy and seclusion on my little private hunting preserve I bit the bullet and bought the place. Closing was yesterday so it is officially now mine.....and the mortgage company's.
I have decided to name the place, Paradise Ranchero Hacienda or maybe Bob's Hunting Club for short.
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When I was in high school the gang would take the family car if allowed to drive to the local drag strip on Sundays and race. I remember we would flip the air filter cover over so it would sound cool when we kicked the four barrels in.
I always seemed to win. Did I mention that the family car at that time was a 1970 Pontiac GTO Judge.
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Last winter I did hit Phoenix AZ a couple of times and even hit LA once. Range is not the issue, did you ever try to aim a snow flake over thousands of miles? Often I miss and cowpuc is usually the beneficiary.
Then there is the fallout when I try to loft it up over his house while sending some joy to the northeast.
Puc even posted that vid the other day showing just how ecstatic him and Tippy were to see some flakes.
As far as thinking that I am and even calling me "one sick puppy", you got to stand in line on that one buddy.
Alas, I can find no fault in that what you do proclaim. I think.
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But Puc, just think of how much cold air and moisture I ill have access to for the White machine............................
You did not think I would leave it behind where mere mortals could get hold of it did ya??????????
I think you should go ahead and do it. That would mean you would be that much further out of range from targeting me with that diabolical contraption.
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I like snow, when I retire I plan to head even farther north into the lake Superior snow belt where it is normal to have up to 300 inches of snow per year, and even more in a good year.
I think I may have mentioned before, Your a sick puppy.
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Why does Puc remind me of Sy Robinson on Duck Dynasty?
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''A Reindeer got run over by a Pickup, crossing the road by Pucs house during Halloween,
You can say there's no such thing as free meat,,, but as for me and Tippy we belief!!""
Sing the above to the tune of this:
While you watch this:
Waste not, want not. We're the tenderloin still good. That's my favorite part.
Oh yeah I refuse to listen to Christmas music until after Thanksgiving. It's only Halloween for gosh sakes.
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''A Reindeer got run over by a Pickup, crossing the road by Pucs house during Halloween,
You can say there's no such thing as free meat,,, but as for me and Tippy we belief!!""
Sing the above to the tune of this:
While you watch this:
Waste not, want not. We're the tenderloin still good. That's my favorite part.
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Yup that's my story and I'm sticking to it.
It is all Mr @cowpuc fault.
He is the one that has tasked me with finding a way to make it SNOW at 60°F.
Well with all this time that I have had to sit around and do nothing but think about things, I will be doing an interim trial run tomorrow nite and see if we can get the first snow of the season even though it will sill be a little over 40°F. Yea I know that 40° is a long way from 60°, but we have to take baby steps. Someday Mr Puc will get his wish for the elusive 60° http://smileys.smilchat.net/smiley/seasons/hiver/flocon-12.gif
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Go ahead FOOL, I still don't think you can reach me down here. Nanny Nanny boo boo:nanner:
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Sure there is. Just go down the line and select all of them.
That is exactly what I did.
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I don't see an option for "ALL OF THE ABOVE"
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Why does this all make me smile and chuckle?????
Because you are one sick puppy.
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Fool,
Stop it!!!!!
I just got a new-to-me bike that needs the tires scrubbed in!!
No snow until after Christmas!!!
Arrrrggghhh! Why do I live up here?
RR
Something I've often wondered. WHY WOULD ANYBODY?
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Yup that's my story and I'm sticking to it.
It is all Mr @cowpuc fault.
He is the one that has tasked me with finding a way to make it SNOW at 60°F.
Well with all this time that I have had to sit around and do nothing but think about things, I will be doing an interim trial run tomorrow nite and see if we can get the first snow of the season even though it will sill be a little over 40°F. Yea I know that 40° is a long way from 60°, but we have to take baby steps. Someday Mr Puc will get his wish for the elusive 60° http://smileys.smilchat.net/smiley/seasons/hiver/flocon-12.gif
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Evil works in an idle mind.
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WHY Don't you take a Nap?? Until about April FOOL?? WHY?? WE would wake you so you wouldn't miss your day and even let you play with that machine tp make sure it hadn't rusted up from lack of use!!!! So WHYnot take a nap???WHY? WHY? WHY?
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Why would anyone post with yellow text on white background so that is hard to read??????????????????????
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Why is it that every time I think it is safe to get back into the water, the WHYS start circling again?
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On the sultry days of summer when I am basking in the shade sipping on a mint julip I may be entertained by such dialogue, banter and debate. But on those days more on the pace of a rat race, such as today, my thoughts lean more towards," who has time for such immaterial conflict motivated dissertations"
So my vote today is, they should go to their corners and spend some quite time.
Tomorrow I may feel differently.
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No I have the best Venison recipes.
Urban Hunting with Psycho Dad
in Watering Hole
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Well, it's been over three years since the last update on this thread.
Back then I was living in an urban yuppie neighborhood where I had to be sensitive to my neighbors reaction to gunfire. Since moving to a rural setting that is no longer an issue. And once again, I am being targeted by those pesky FTTRBs. So I am contemplating upping my game to the 12 gauge.
If the FTTRBs would stay outdoors where they belong I would be ok with the Live and let live philosophy. But since they apparently won't and love to squirrel dance through the rafters at all hours of the night the FTTRBS have got to die.
Before you get all politically correct and take up the "They have a right to live, too" argument. I've tried that catch and release approach and have found that no matter how many times you send your son up in the attic to look for and close possible points of squirrel ingress and egress, it is a total waste of time. I'm just saying that if God meant for all of them to live, he wouldn't have made them so tasty in a stew.
Just saying.