ediddy Posted June 30, 2014 Share #1 Posted June 30, 2014 Was riding with my friend yesterday who has an 08 venture. We stopped for lunch for about an hour or so. After riding again about 1 mile my friend pulled over. The temp light and oil light were on. Bike is full of oil and water. Looked at the fan and it wasn't coming on. Here is the weird part. When the ignition switch was on you could turn the kill switch on and the bike would start without pressing the start button. Turn the kill switch off engine stops, turn the kill switch on the bike starts. If you leaned down toward the left side of engine you could hear a constant whine. We didn't want to continue riding home because we weren't sure about the whine. We wondered if maybe the starter wasn't switching off and was continuing to run. We left the bike at the police station, we were a 150 miles from home, and are going to get it today and trailer it home. Anyone have any ideas of what is going on. The worst thing for me was all the harleys that came by and seeing a yamaha broke down beside the road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bongobobny Posted June 30, 2014 Share #2 Posted June 30, 2014 Yes, last year I had an almost identical problem. Turned out to be the starting circuit ignition relay had fallen off of the mount and was laying on the engine and the engine heat melted the relay cover causing a short. It's located under the seat where the false battery covers are just about in the middle. The whine you heard was most likely the starter motor! Mine acted like a car, turn the key on, the motor started automatically. Funny thing, as soon as the bike cooled down the problem went away until the bike warmed up again. Made for a pain in the a$$ troubleshooting the symptoms... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubber Posted July 1, 2014 Share #3 Posted July 1, 2014 Oh Bob you are a wealth of knowledge. :rotf: Is there anything you don't know? Who would have thought to look for that? Great job Bob!!!!!!!!! Bubber Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeWa Posted July 1, 2014 Share #4 Posted July 1, 2014 Wow very interesting symptoms. Let us know what you find. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bongobobny Posted July 1, 2014 Share #5 Posted July 1, 2014 Oh Bob you are a wealth of knowledge. :rotf: Is there anything you don't know? Who would have thought to look for that? Great job Bob!!!!!!!!! BubberThe hardest problem Bubber was troubleshooting when the symptoms changed from cold to warm. By looking at the schematic I figured where a ground that was appearing when it shouldn't happened to be common to the relay. As soon as I went to the relay to investigate that's when I found the partially melted assembly laying on the engine. If I remember, about 3 months later someone else had the same problem with the same failure source, the relay falling off it's rubber mount. I was lucky, the $100 part was changed under warranty... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike G in SC Posted July 1, 2014 Share #6 Posted July 1, 2014 Just get the heck away from that bike! I had a girl friend just as freaky,,, no I did not marry her. But,,, sometimes I wonder what she is up to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beau-Kat Posted July 2, 2014 Share #7 Posted July 2, 2014 Was riding with my friend yesterday who has an 08 venture. We stopped for lunch for about an hour or so. After riding again about 1 mile my friend pulled over. The temp light and oil light were on. Bike is full of oil and water. Looked at the fan and it wasn't coming on. Here is the weird part. When the ignition switch was on you could turn the kill switch on and the bike would start without pressing the start button. Turn the kill switch off engine stops, turn the kill switch on the bike starts. If you leaned down toward the left side of engine you could hear a constant whine. We didn't want to continue riding home because we weren't sure about the whine. We wondered if maybe the starter wasn't switching off and was continuing to run. We left the bike at the police station, we were a 150 miles from home, and are going to get it today and trailer it home. Anyone have any ideas of what is going on. The worst thing for me was all the harleys that came by and seeing a yamaha broke down beside the road. Something like that has happened to me a couple times with my VMax. All that caused my problem was the start button stuck when I pushed it in. Engine started. warning lights came on, and the whirring was there from the stuck starter turning. Bopped on the button and it released. All was well after that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bongobobny Posted July 3, 2014 Share #8 Posted July 3, 2014 Soooo, what's the statue of your buddy's '08 Ediddy??? Inquiring minds want to know... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VentureFar Posted July 3, 2014 Share #9 Posted July 3, 2014 Yes, last year I had an almost identical problem. Turned out to be the starting circuit ignition relay had fallen off of the mount and was laying on the engine and the engine heat melted the relay cover causing a short. It's located under the seat where the false battery covers are just about in the middle. The whine you heard was most likely the starter motor! Mine acted like a car, turn the key on, the motor started automatically. Funny thing, as soon as the bike cooled down the problem went away until the bike warmed up again. Made for a pain in the a$$ troubleshooting the symptoms... Can you be more specific where to look for this relay on the 2nd Gen? since I had worn out fuel pump points at only 15,000 miles, I want to investigate any potential "weird" problems. Thanks VentureFar... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ediddy Posted July 3, 2014 Author Share #10 Posted July 3, 2014 Hey Bongobobny, The bike is in the shop. I am as anxious as you to know what caused the problem in case it ever happens to me. Will let you know as soon as I find out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil86 Posted July 3, 2014 Share #11 Posted July 3, 2014 I know of one case where a short in the audio system caused this issue. It might get expensive if it goes that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ediddy Posted July 14, 2014 Author Share #12 Posted July 14, 2014 My friend called this morning. Technician said the problem was the solenoid switch. Didn't have a yamaha solenoid so is ordering one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VentureFar Posted July 14, 2014 Share #13 Posted July 14, 2014 My friend called this morning. Technician said the problem was the solenoid switch. Didn't have a yamaha solenoid so is ordering one. Help the helpless... What does the solenoid switch do and where is it located? Thanks VentureFar... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ediddy Posted July 14, 2014 Author Share #14 Posted July 14, 2014 I think the solenoid switch is under the seat. I think is has something to do with the starter, but I'm not sure. Someone pitch in and let us know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VentureFar Posted July 14, 2014 Share #15 Posted July 14, 2014 When I replaced the fuel filter - what a pain till I realized taking out the battery would have sped it up--- there was a "thing" rubber mounted on a slip down on it mount in front of the fuel filter. Is it that "thing"?---- like I said, help the helpless - no PUC not hopeless, helpless :-) Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seaking Posted July 14, 2014 Share #16 Posted July 14, 2014 When I replaced the fuel filter - what a pain till I realized taking out the battery would have sped it up--- there was a "thing" rubber mounted on a slip down on it mount in front of the fuel filter. Is it that "thing"?---- like I said, help the helpless - no PUC not hopeless, helpless :-) Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk As annoyingly difficult as the fuel filter is to change, it needs to be changed often.. and to do that, why not relocated it to a spot under the seat.. now removes any excuses for not changing it out each year.. (a clogged fuel filter caused a lot of problems on my bike and eventually led to the premature death of the fuel pump not long afterward..) The "thing" you're refering to is the "Relay, side stand" Item #45 on the parts fiche at http://www.partshark.com/fiche_section_detail.asp?section=3962876&category=Motorcycles&make=Yamaha&year=2006&fveh=177741 I'm kinda familiar with that item since mine is toasted and waiting for a new one to arrive.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hell yea Posted August 5, 2014 Share #17 Posted August 5, 2014 Something like that has happened to me a couple times with my VMax. All that caused my problem was the start button stuck when I pushed it in. Engine started. warning lights came on, and the whirring was there from the stuck starter turning. Bopped on the button and it released. All was well after that. had the same thing happen on my max Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hell yea Posted August 5, 2014 Share #18 Posted August 5, 2014 I think the solenoid switch is under the seat. I think is has something to do with the starter, but I'm not sure. Someone pitch in and let us know. the solenoid is a heavy duty switch that switches power from your battery to your starter motor.when you hit the starter switch what the starter switch does is activate that solenoid and allow full power to the starter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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