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oh yeah, thanks for all the help guys, just got the new starter in and she fired right up. I think Neil Diamond must have had a bike that had been broken down for a week when he wrote that song "What a beautiful noise"

in case you guys are wondering what happened. cleaning the starter didn't work, it was shot so I ordered the one from dgelectrics cause there web page always says free same day shipping if ordered by 3:00pm, so I ordered it like around 6:00pm thinking ok it will be same day on tomorrows before 3 list, but it didn't work that way it should finally be here later today or tomorrow. it is at least in Sacramento now, they should add that to their website huh. order before 3pm free same day shipping, order after 3pm free 1 week shipping.

ok thanks fool and puc. glad I waited for a reply. was thinking might as well drop it in the dip, what can it hurt, then thought better wait for a reply it might hurt something, that stuff is pretty strong. i'll get on that I happen to have some old toothbrushes. thanks guys

ok I finally got over to my van and got my tools and got the starter out all I've done so far is pull the armature out. Should I dip that in the berrymans chem dip? And what is my next step? Do I have to take the other end off? if so how is that done?

I'm pretty cheap myself I went out to pull the starter and clean it. Thought I had scrounged up enough tools around here to do the job. My tools are all in my van which I just put a piston in, but yes you do have to take the pipe off the starter bolt won't get by the thermostat housing if you don't. My allen wrenches are in my van. I got this stuff called berryman's chem dip to clean the piston I got from pick and pull, that stuff did wonders, it had a lot of carbon on it and was black as could be, but it came out looking like brand new. Do you think I should dip the starter in that stuff? If cleaning everything and doing that ground mod doesn't work I will look around for a 4 brush, but after googling for starters that one at db electric for 86 dollars is going to be pretty tough to beat price wise. I'm cheap by necessity, don't make a lot of money. While I have it out I might as well do that dingy mod (if I can find that post again) and put new cable on it. Thanks for the help. Going to get to googling and see if I can find out what year the 4 brushers started

I still haven't been able to get the bike started to get over there and finish the van. I'm hoping I can get the starter out without having to take off the rad and the pipe, as you know I just recently got that cooling issue fixed hoping not to have to mess with it since it's perfect now. If I can i'll try what larry said or if a xvz1300 starter will fit a xvz1200 buy that

I see a starter at db electronics for 80 bucks it is for xvz1300 mine is xvz1200 anyone know if that will fit

ok I just disconnected the cable from the relay to the starter and put battery directly to starter stud and the starter turned very slowly. so I guess I have to take the starter off and clean it up? can I get that out by just undoing those two bolts without taking the rad and header pipes off?

thanks patch, yea I read that whole post. if it kicks over i'll have to pick up a test light along with the relay, and take starter apart and clean it all up. Don't get what you mean by use booster red only?

ooops thought that link would put an icon there

Alright everyone thanks for the help. We got er a step in the right direction. I had the battery on a trickle charge all night and I banged on the relay and it is no longer making a connection. So I put the battery and relay back in and walla I have lights. I tried hitting the start button and nothing. Now like saddlebum was saying should I go out and cross the two with a screwdriver. I put the messed up relay back in hoping it will get me to the parts store to buy a new one. I quess that is a moot point, if I go cross them and nothing happens then the starter would be shot and I will have to try and find another way to the parts store. All in all I guess i'm just looking for some reassurance that it won't screw anything else up if I do that. Like "Go ahead give it a shot just make sure you bring a screwdriver with you to the parts store. https://www.venturerider.org/forum/images/icons/icon6.png

oh ya saddlebum you asked if I had tried to go directly to the starter and no I haven't. Don't think it would but if I went out and did the without the ignition on it wouldn't mess anything else up would it. Should just crank the engine over and not start right? Have a good night thanks for the help guys

I just read the Patch Saddlebum conversation. Sorry if I left you hanging, I hadn't seen the post about you were just going to be watching tv before I left. yes you are right saddlebum the main fuse is right next to the battery and did have an extra one inside the holder. both had continuity. before I disconnected the battery to take the relay out I also checked for power at all the fuses and they were all getting power.

ok I have the relay here in the house. I checked resistance on all different settings and didn't do anything. but before I pulled it I checked the non battery side with the key on and had voltage. then I taped it with screwdriver and no more voltage there so ya seems like it was stuck. now if I were to hook the battery back up without that in it should I have headlight and radio?

thanks for the help patch, i'm going to go pull the relay and put in new main fuse

I do have an electric bicycle i am going to have to ride to the store tonight. i usually only use that for taking my dog out for a run

actually I live in an apt. and was on the way to go finish fixing my van. I had to put a new rod and piston in it have it all back together and was starting the bike to go put the timing belt on, so now I don't have a running vechicle, by van is at a friends house where I could do the work and most all my tools are in it.

yeah copy you on disconnecting relay and chasing my tail. if I put a new main fuse in and the relay was stuck it would just blow the new fuse right?

I meant power to the fuse box

ok to check if there is power to the fuse what do I just put the black to battery ground and the red to one of the fuses?

ok i'll go check that

think I found the main fuse if that's is it inside a rubber connector right next to the battery. don't know if getting power to fuse box how do I check that, I just checked all the fuses for continuity and they were all good

hey patch how's it going? none of the lights are working no horn radio the starter button doesn't even change the voltage on the side of the relay that isn't going to the battery. is that side supposed to be have 12.57 volts just by turning the key?

oh yea marcarl I've also checked all the fuses in the box over the battery for continuity. is there a main fuse somewhere I am unaware of

Thanks for the reply Marcarl. Ok first of all the voltage at the battery posts reads 12.57. The side of the relay that hooks directly to the battery reads 12.57 and the other side reads 12.54 as soon as I turn the key to the on position. When I hit the starter button they both stay at 12.57 and 12.54. The headlight, the neutral light the horn blinkers never do come on. The battery is just a few months old and I noticed before I started the bike briefly the time on the panel was right. I've been riding it every day up until this and only problem has been starter going really slow and pausing then kicking in after it has warmed up but that has been happening for the past two years with any battery I put in it