Roadflyer
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you want to let go of the stock HD mufflers?
The cost of shipping makes it not worth it.
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I balanced the carbs and it idles noticeably smoother now!
Replaced the old brake fluid on the front and rears.
I also installed a set of stock Harley mufflers. I must admit that it sounds good, however, they are a bit too loud for me.
So.... I also reinstalled the stock mufflers!
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I replaced mine with a pair of Roadliner calipers, I liked that they were newer and all silver like the stockers.
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My neighbor has a few welders. If I needed something welded, he would point me in the direction and say do it yourself.
Now, I had gas welded before and TIG is sort of like that, so I wasn't terrible at that. But, my MIG and stick welding was almost the worst I've seen.
So, I decided rather than being humiliated, I would buy my own welder and learn how.
Some utube video's and a bunch of practice and my welding is at least better than a lot that I've seen.
I built a utility trailer a couple years ago that was quite a bit of welding, I can see the difference between where I started and how much better my welds looked towards the end.
BTW, get the gas bottle, you'll be happy you did.
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The Roadliner & Stratoliners (same 1900cc bike, just different options) both appear to have the same 4-piston calipers as the Star Roadstar & Warriors. I believe the hand controls are more sculpted "art deco" style and not a match for our clutch master if you want to add the matching 14mm brake master.
I've had 4 Roadstars- 2 with the two piston calipers that are the same as the Royal Star and 2 with the 4 piston calipers.
I converted one of the two piston bikes to four piston calipers and did not change the master, as far as I could tell, it worked exactly the same as the four piston bike.
I also had a Roadliner for a short while and it seemed to have the best brakes of them all. I would guess that the calipers are very similar but the pads are different.
I hope that I end up with the same brake feel and power as the Roadliner!!!
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Here are a couple of versions of a bracket.
https://www.venturerider.org/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=117955 https://www.venturerider.org/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=117956
Thank you Sir!!
I do like the drawing on the right!!
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Well heck, by the time Winter over we'll have your bike problems solved. All you'll have to do is throw the cover off that bike fix a couple issues and ride it like you stole it. Now aren't you glad you spent that twelve bucks for all this good poop.
I going to install some 4 piston calipers from a Roadliner on the front, and also install an electric fuel shut off valve on the output side of the fuel pump.
I'm not so sure that the original engine didn't get catastrophically hydro locked from fuel leaking into the intake, so this will shut the fuel off every time I power down (cause I'll forget).
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I just bought a pair of Street Glide mufflers (same thing) for $35.
Just need to find the bracket drawings now.
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While getting the new engine ready for installation on my 2009 RSTD, I decided to remove the air injection nozzles from the exhaust ports.
I had already removed the plumbing and all the rest of the hardware on the bike related to the air injection (mostly just to de clutter the engine installation).
While looking at the exhaust ports, I was shocked to see how far the injection nozzles protrude into the port and how much they would seem to block the exhaust flow.
Prior to seeing the inside of the ports, I intended to simply block the tubes off.
I used a slide hammer to pull the tubes out. With the tubes on the bench, I cut the top fitting part off and the lower tube part that protrudes into the port.
This left the hollow (about 1" long) section that had been pressed into the head. I welded both the top and bottom of those pieces so they could be used as plugs and drove them back into the cylinder heads.
Now the exhaust ports are unrestricted.
My question is:
The bike runs great, but I've never ridden a Royal Star before. Has anybody else done this and did they notice any difference in performance?
I can imagine removing that much visible restriction to the exhaust port must free up a few horsepower, I'm just wondering if it also would cause a drop in low end torque?
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Does anybody know if the Roadliner calipers will work?
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Not to get us off riding The Whine Testing Trail but something just occurred to me that might be prudent.. IMHO, it is not uncommon for rusty fuel tanks to end up being the cause for sticky/stuck float valves. Rust can be so tiny that even the best fuel filter can't capture it but easily get caught up in that little valve. Another thing I think I would do if that purdy scoot were mine Roadflyer is to drain the tank, leave it open for a day or so so it can dry out and then inspect it internally to check for rust.. If you do this you may want to pay special attention to the roof of the tank.. In the end, even if you find it clean as a whistle,,, you will be starting out knowing you are not running the risk of contaminating your carbs with rust and you will get any garbage out of the bottom of the tank that frequents those places... May be worth a check!!
My first thought when I got the bike was that it caused by a leaky float valve, although, I'm not sure how enough fuel flows through a fuel pump when not running to flood the carbs and a cylinder??
When I actually tore the engine apart and could see the 3/8" rust band on the bad cylinder that was clearly caused by water in the cylinder, I changed my mind.
I inspected the carbs and they were absolutely spotless, I also adjusted the float level to factory specs (not convinced the manual is correct on this though).
The fuel tank was drained and looked at too, It also is spotless.
Just in case, I try to remember to shut the fuel off when I return from a ride.
For now, the bike is under a cover in my shop, and plugged into my Harley tender with the fuel shut off. (for a 6 month sleep)
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Between 1999 and 2013 the main thing that changed on the Venture was the colour annually. Seat changed in 2004 along with tank badges...don't know how often the clutch basket changed but pretty much any with a whine were 2008 and earlier. Everything is interchangeable. The RSTD and Venture shared the motor...probably some other parts as well but I haven't compared the two side-by-side.
One unexpected thing that was different between the original motor and the replacement was the wiring plugs.
I don't know if it was the change from 09 to 08 or that I have a RSTD and the 08 replacement engine might have come from a Venture, but
the ignition trigger connector and the Neutral / OD connector were different and had to be changed over.
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This clutch basket is the new part number that "may" get rid of the whine. I don't know of anyone who has tried it....
Is this the " I " basket that people refer to? if so, why is it referred to as that?
I'll try out the spare clutch I have from the original motor long before I shell out $300 bucks for a "may fix".
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Oh, by the way very nice Yamaha you have there!!!!!
Thanks for the compliment!
I agree with you on the ringing, its way too loud to just be gear whine. You can hear the noise increase while the revs go up until it hits the resonant frequency,
then the amplitude starts to fall off with increased rpm.
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Your RSTD looks very nice. If you do a search on the forums, there are quite a few posts over the years on the pros and cons of changing clutchbaskets, different oils, etc. to try and eliminate the whine. I think most have the whine. My 07 RSV had it but it wasn’t really noticeable to me anyway and I didn’t mind it. The 2012 RSV didn’t have it. I was using Yamalube 20-50. Doug
I'm not much a believer in liquid fixes. Over the years I've tried many different oils etc that have been recommended to try and fix problems.
Pretty much none have worked for me. I will admit, that changing the oil in a bike engine will quieten it down for maybe a day or two before it goes back to the way it was.
I'll shoot you a message the next time I'm in Leduc visiting my Daughter !
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A Venture/RSTD with a "bad motor"? You really need to explain this comment.
What I know from the previous owner is:
He tried to start the bike and there was a loud "pop like a backfire" and the engine would not turn over.
He thought the battery was bad and installed a new one with the same result minus the big pop.
Then he took the bike out on the road and tried to jump start it down a steep road and still no go.
What I know from ripping it apart.
There was rust in the right rear cylinder.
right rear connecting rod was bent badly and had hit and cracked the bottom of the cylinder.
What I suppose happened.
They put the bike away for the winter hot and perhaps a bad head gasket weeped enough coolant into the cylinder to cause it to hydraulic
when he tried to start it in the spring.
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What year bike did the motor come out of? I believe pre-2009 the basket was different. There is a stamp on the basket. From memory....and someone can correct....think you want an "I" basket...or did you use the one from the 2009 motor?
Some have said different oil lessens the "whine". What oil are you using? I use Rotella T6 in my '09 Venture...no noticeable whine.
The new motor is a 2008, I'm using 20-50 Castrol motorcycle oil.
Would the 09 and 08 clutch baskets interchange?
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I have a 2009 RSTD that I bought in pieces with a bad motor.
Where do the two tubes that hang down from the front of the air cleaner pods connect??
I'm guessing that they connect to the carb vent fittings ??
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I have a 2009 RSTD that I bought with a bad motor.
I finished replacing the motor yesterday and took the bike for a 25 mile test ride.
I've read about the "whine" but didn't know what to expect.
Cruising along, all is fine and nothing out of the ordinary. When accelerating up a steep hill in a lower gear it can be REALLY loud
(I'd guess the noise peaks at about 3500 rpm)
I'm not too worried about it, do they all do that?
Is it worthwhile to change the clutch basket ( I have a spare from the original motor).
BTW, super nice bike, I'm really impressed! Makes my 2016 Road King feel agricultural !!
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Are the Road Star mufflers really loud?
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From my experience doing just a valve adjustment, I would say not. It was all I could do to get valve cover off. If studs come up thru heads, you wont have enough room to go up and over.
Thanks for the info. Looks like I will be pulling the motor.
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Can it be done? how hard is it?
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I’ve heard guys here talk about hydrolock a few times. I’ve rebuilt literally 1000’s of motorcycle engines over the years.
Not counting cars, lawnmowers, diesel trucks, etc. I’ve seen bent rods for whatever reason due to failure while running, but I’ve never saw a starter with enough power bend a rod. I’ve seen jet skis get water in the engine and hydrolock them. But never bent a rod. I’ve seen engines lock up from stuck float or carb flooding, but never a bent rod. I’m not saying it doesn’t happen, but with the frequency talked about here, just a little hard to swallow.
You can get the bike, do a compression test on it. If it has a bent rod or broken timing chain, that will tell you. Check the crankcase for gas in the oil, overfull. I’m not trying to start a fight or argument, I just don’t see it.
I totally agree with what your'e saying.
I find it a little hard to swallow that connecting rods can be bent that way.
The guy seems completely upfront and honest, he's not trying to hide anything.
I know he took it to the dealer for evaluation, I'm not sure how they could have concluded the rods were bent.
As far as I know the engine doesn't turn over at all.
It's all speculation until I can put the wrenches to it!!
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You can use any engine or parts from a 1999 - 2005 Royal Star Venture or Royal Star Tour Deluxe. They were all the same. You might try Pinwall Cycle Salvage for a good used engine. They usually have a couple.
As for what caused it, if the rods are indeed bent, then hyrdrolocking is the most probably cause.
Good information, Thank you!
Didn't the bikes gets a power increase in 2007? Was that just airbox and carbs?
I hate to whine....
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I installed the clutch basket from the original motor and it sounded exactly the same.
I've only ridden the bike a couple hundred miles on the highway. ( just got it on the road a couple days ago)
I found that when riding with the wind, the gear noise sounds quite loud and I find it annoying.
When riding into the wind it really isn't a big deal, not much can be heard over the wind noise.