moto_boy

Ok well I am using a smaller battery from my gpz but it is brand new. And I have my battery charger box on it set to 35 amps Seams like that's plenty of power Would you suggest I get the right battery in there , fully charged then. See if it makes noise? Can someone send me the starter clutch replacement PDF. please

Yep see what you mean defiantly starter clutch. Seams pretty strait forward. In think even though I have a starter problem The silver bike has 30,000 less miles carbs are rebuilt but from sitting needles are gummed up. I can tell its a runner. No way around it , carbs need to come off. These are an easy remove anyway. Right now if the carbs were right it would fire up no probe, but starter would still be bad. Here is what I think. The bike was in the shop and carbs were cleaned, started was bad, owner could come up with the money for starter fix. So dint pay. So shop owner sold it to his buddy , the guy I got it from! Then the shops owner says hey I have a other bike , brown one, so guy I got it from gets it. Starts to tear into them and realizes he is in over his head That's my take. That's fine I will get the silver one running and then gvet a good carb for brown one and get them both going!

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I did pour seafoam right in the carbs through the top , but the tank I had was just new gas. Like I said it did start and sounded good but with the needles sticking it wont run right. And then the knocking of starter. I guess if it was running IE carbs working right, I should only have to bump the starter and it would fire, and I wouldn't have to keep cranking, but starter still should not sound like that. And yes its a nock, but no nock with plugs out. Not sure why it would do that with only 48,000 on it. But I do agree with those miles it should be a good motor. I will run some seafoam in the temp tank and pump it up into the carbs, then let it sit. But 9 times out of 10 I always have to remove and clean carbs when they sit. The brown bike has 78,000 Still not a lot on this bike and it has Metzler on it while the silver one has old Dunlop. Than tells me he ran the brown one. I put some mystery oil in that this morning and I am letting it soak. I would think a good carb on it and it should fire. Like I said I will cleans out cylinders on Both bikes and then run compression. As far as the starter I wont no the condition of the brown bike until I install the plugs and try cranking it. To see how it acts under a load. On the silver bike , what's the fix for starter? Please don't tell me I have to split the case , already have a seca II I have a part and I am replacing starter clutch gear. Trust me guys I have brought back to life over 30 plus bikes, so I am fully aware of the time and needs. I have a running bike I ride 98 concourse so no hurries . Just took my dream restore 1981 GPZ 550 down to frame and I am having it powder coated. And doing a total restore. But every bike is different, so I appreciate your knowledge! Even did an xj1100 second gear fix one time, back cut the dogs. I will get them running! So little time to may cycles!

No I get that. I am in no hurry, i usually will not do anything to a bike unless in get motor running , then do brakes and all the rest. So I will have to soak pistons more, then I will seafoam them clean out with carb clean or something like it. blow them out. Or I will get a false reading . I then compression test. I will do this with both bikes now. And not try and start the silver one again . I have not tried to start the brown bike , so I think I with the start with this one. And hope the starter is good. Maybe thats why the prior owner wanted to run the brown one. Never told me about starter. And young can easily remove the fuel pump and unplug the 2 wire connector. Done. I will have carbs removed with intakes open so should get good reading , I will do each cylinder dry and see what's the readings are, then with a small shot of oil if I need to de a wet test. Once that is complete with plugs in no carbs I will run the starter on the brown one and see if it is acting up. No matter what with compression test, done and carbs cleaned- new fuel I will still try and get it running . I will try any get a good runner before I do any brakes ECT. Why clean up a bike that doesn't run. Any thoughts ?

No I get that. I am in no hurry, i usually will not do anything to a bike unless in get motor running , then do brakes and all the rest. So I will have to soak pistons more, then I will seafoam them clean out with carb clean or something like it. blow them out. Or I will get a false reading . I then compression test. I will do this with both bikes now. And not try and start the silver one again . I have not tried to start the brown bike , so I think I with the start with this one. And hope the starter is good. Maybe thats why the prior owner wanted to run the brown one. Never told me about starter. And young can easily remove the fuel pump and unplug the 2 wire connector. Done. I will have carbs removed with intakes open so should get good reading , I will do each cylinder dry and see what's the readings are, then with a small shot of oil if I need to de a wet test. Once that is complete with plugs in no carbs I will run the starter on the brown one and see if it is acting up. No matter what with compression test, done and carbs cleaned- new fuel I will still try and get it running . I will try any get a good runner before I do any brakes ECT. Why clean up a bike that doesn't run. Any thoughts ?

oem, With tape no cb. Please see my latest update on bikes under picking up bikes ,

Update Brown bike. Well I did soak the piston with mystery oil and intakes . I let soak and worked the crank back and forth a few times and it broke free with a little resistance. Not sure what that will do to rings, I mean unless you take head off and clean out your always going to have stuff in there , until it burns up or whatever, I would think. I drained the oil, no water in the oil. I will take as picture tomorrow. With the plugs removed and cylinders still with mystery oil, I covered up the plug holes with A rag and bumped the starter. Cranks over fine . I then let the fuel pump flush all the gas out of tank. And stopped there . So to sum it up, cylinders free , starter works, with no load, I did not install plugs and try. Fuel pump works tank it empty. Hopefully I didn't bend values or mess up rings. Silver bike Ok I removed plugs lubes cylinders with mystery oil, Well this one needed a little rocking back and forth from crank too. I think just from sitting. Cleaned out gas tank. Really wasn't that bad, it was mostly on top. I drained tank with fuel pump. I removed the air cleaner-filter I lubed the slides, poured seafoam in carb, removed the carb bowl drain plugs. I then cranked the starter over, and it turned freely. I bumped the starter letting the cylinders clean out, re installed the plugs , and bowl drain screws. I hooked a good tank with fresh gas up to the fuel pump. And let her rip. At first it poured gas out the overflow hose in front of the carbs and cough and sputter through carbs I removed plugs again and let it clean out . re-installed plugs, and tried to start again. It cough and sputtered and fired up and I heard it run for about 15 sec, then died. I tried to start again just bumping then starter but when try and start it for to longer than 3 or 4 specs the starter make noise, so I stopped, removed the plugs hit the starter and it will run continues with no noise? Reinstalled plugs and tried almost fired up but carbs flooding and starter noise, I am wondering if its just because cylinders are getting full from not firing up. but I did unplug the fuel pump and crank the starter with no fuel in cylinders. And still acted up if bumped starter to long. It Almost started again. Are these bike only supposed to crank 3-4 turns and if they don't fire will the skater start missing? Sum it up, motor free, fuel pump works, starter works with no load still works under load but doesn't catch every time. Got it to run. I could not get it to run again I thing its flooded and carb must be cleaned. How hard is it to replace starter ? My plan is to remove the carbs from the silver bike , remove the spark plugs, clean the carbs, install new plugs, Run my temp gas tank with fuel pump. And see if it gives me a problem with starter with carbs cleaned. I do think , I am just going to have to accept getting one bike up. Still not sure witch one. Once the carbs are cleaned I know the silver bike will run I heard it and what I heard sounded good and I almost got it running but between the carbs flooding this only makes the starter have a hard time starting something that is having a hard time running. I did not keep cranking the starter over and over just bumped until it made noise then stopped them bumped till it made noise stopped. If it keeps it up with fresh gas- new plugs clean cars, then I can assume starter is bad or flywheel ? I will try cleaned carb on the brown bike with new plugs and fresh gas and see if it will run. Any thoughts Ok just saw a post on starter gear- starter clutch Does this sound like my problem . I am using a smaller battery to start, but its a good battery. Sorry form so much info!

Hmm the 88 Has speakers in the fairing and an audio system.

Silver one throttle snaps back nice has new plugs, but today I looked in the gas tanks and saw corrosion , not super bad but enough for a cleaning. Man looks like a pain to remove! Brown one , I removed carbs and there was water in the he cylinder as I expected , carbs are shot. I removed the plugs and the carbs, vacuumed out and sprayed in some good lube. Of course the gas tank looks good in this one. I was thinking should I hook up a temp gas tank to the fuel pump of the silver one and see if it fires and how it runs. Then remove carbs put them on t the brown one and see if it fires? I like the brown one because its a Royal, but really is there really that big of a difference besides compressor and cassette? Seems like with water in the cylinder on the brown one, its a no brainer , but I am going to have to get a carb on it to see if it runs. But hate to remove carb from Silver one. Silver one has 48,000 brown has 78,000 I was just thinking , on the brown one I should turn the motor over , wrench -crank, Is that easy to get to? Drain oil inspect for water and change filter. Really No way of telling how the cylinders are without removal, but some mystery oil and soak for a few days and it could be fine. But again I only have one good set of carbs. And it has more miles. After talking more with the owner, I see what he was thinking, He got the brown one 1st, then the silver, he liked the brown one better so he thought he would put the rebuilt carbs from the silver one on them but didn't finish, left brown one exposed!

First impressions, Well didn't have time to do much , sunny day with kids. Here is what I did find. The brown bike, we will call Royale. The one with water in the carbs(prior owner removed air filter let out in rain )don't get me started. Removed the carbs, vacuumed out the intakes with a vac-small hose attachment. One of the intake boots was bad and broke-separated from head instead of carb. Carbs were I would say toast , need rebuild. I removed the plugs and sprayed lube down each cylinder and down the intakes Tank looks good no visible rust. Oil in the glass view, doesn't look grey or wet. I am thinking water stayed on top of the pistons. I will drain oil tomorrow for closer inspection. I am thinking I will leave lube down in the cylinders for a couple days for sure, maybe pour Some mystery oil in there and let it sit. And a can of seafoam in the gas tank. Ok silver bike , we will call standard So this bike the throttle snaps back great, looks like it has new plug wires , this is the bike that had carbs rebuilt and tune up. But I took off the gas cap and I see visible corrosion . Ugh. Other bike good clean tank, but bad carbs, water. Really! Well any way I poured muric acid in the tank I am letting it sit. I will drain and flush. So hear is my question. I like the fact that the Royale has onboard air etc. and like the paint colors- but is there really that much difference? As I said the gas tank is clean , if the cylinders are ok , would you remove the carbs from the standard and build that bike. Or would you swap the gas tank in to the standard leave e carbs on try seafoam -new gas and try and fire that up. Looks like a pain to remove gas tanks! My thought is to run a temp tank to the fuel pump and try and fire up standard and see how it runs, considering the carbs appear to be functional, why pull carbs maybe it will fire up. But I am gonna need to get good carbs on royal to see if cylinders are good and motor condition. Any thoughts?

Well The other thread was meant to be a hello that turned into more. So I thought I would start a new thread. I am off to pick up my bikes. Stay tuned.[ATTACH=CONFIG]99070[/ATTACH]

So what one would you keep?

So excited I am going to get them both running, so I will have one for sale. Hey I was just noticing one says royal on trunk one doesn't? Also I didn't see air lines on silver one. Did they make theses without air ride ?

Good , was thinking I might have to part out brown one. That's the once he licensed, he said he liked the look better, who knows maybe it ran better. Its all there though, with trailer hitch and all.