ChurchBuilder Posted April 1, 2012 Share #1 Posted April 1, 2012 I can start my 84 in 1st gear but cannot get it into neutral! I just repaired the shift pit problem I was having and now no neutral. Hard to get out of the garage in gear.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkuhr Posted April 1, 2012 Share #2 Posted April 1, 2012 With the pin fixed, can you now operate thru all the gears? Just having trouble finding neutral light? might check neutral switch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChurchBuilder Posted April 1, 2012 Author Share #3 Posted April 1, 2012 When I start it I still can't get it into neutral. Is there something about the way the shift mechanism goes in? It will start but it feels like the clutch isn't disengaging all the way. I don't want to ride it if there is something wrong.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyinfool Posted April 1, 2012 Share #4 Posted April 1, 2012 Ok, someone has to ask the obvious. Is your shift linkage installed the right way. It can be installed backwards so that while you think you are looking for neutral between 1st and 2nd you are actually trying to find neutral between 4th and 5th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChurchBuilder Posted April 1, 2012 Author Share #5 Posted April 1, 2012 Hmmmm....the 1st gear and 2nd gear indicator lights work...but no neutral....the light flashes as it passes by but cannot make go into neutral no matter how hard I try. I hate to tear it down again but I may have to.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dingy Posted April 1, 2012 Share #6 Posted April 1, 2012 I should charge for each time I post these two pictures. Gary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilvrT Posted April 1, 2012 Share #7 Posted April 1, 2012 When I had my '85 I always had trouble getting it into neutral while it was running. What I would do is turn it off when in 1st, apply a little upward pressure on the shifter and then rock the bike forward/backward... voila` ... it would pop into neutral! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiCarl Posted April 1, 2012 Share #8 Posted April 1, 2012 Hard to know from the information you provided what is going on. The way the transmission works it can be tricky to change gears on a stationary bike, especially with the engine running. Turn the key on but do not start the motorcycle. Also leave the clutch lever alone. Rock the bike back and forth while trying to shift to neutral. If it won't go to neutral or second you've likely got a problem with your linkage or the shift sector. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChurchBuilder Posted April 1, 2012 Author Share #9 Posted April 1, 2012 My linkage is just like the pictures.....Will try rocking.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venturous Randy Posted April 1, 2012 Share #10 Posted April 1, 2012 It sounds to me like the clutch is not disengaging very well and you are having to force it from one gear to another without you being able to stop it between 1st and 2nd. Put the bike up on the center stand and with the engine off, rock the rear wheel back and forth putting slight pressure on the shifter. See if it will shift between the gears. Also, you may need to bleed your clutch if it feels mushy. Where is the clutch catching at when you let the clutch out? You are not giving us enough information to work with. You say you see the green neutral light, so I suspect there is a neutral. Just try this and let us know what it does. RandyA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChurchBuilder Posted April 1, 2012 Author Share #11 Posted April 1, 2012 The clutch is not disengaging completely. I can shift into all gears with the bike on the center stand. I can get it started but the clutch engages about 1/4" from the hand grip. I have bled and re-bled the clutch. I have also replaced the clutch slave seals. I also tied the clutch lever and let it sit for a day with the clutch master cap taken off. I must have put something back together wrong..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkuhr Posted April 1, 2012 Share #12 Posted April 1, 2012 Looking over your other clutch thread http://www.venturerider.org/forum/showthread.php?t=67887 I have to ask if you had the clutch pushrods out? There is a ball between the long and short push rods that may be missing. pg 3-50 service manual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keemez Posted April 1, 2012 Share #13 Posted April 1, 2012 and let it sit for a day with the clutch master cap taken off That brake fluid will quickly become junk like that. You want MINIMAL exposure to air- best fluid flushing is done on a warm, extremely dry day so the fluid doesn't absorb moisture out of the air. At least you've narrowed down your issue to clutch release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChurchBuilder Posted April 1, 2012 Author Share #14 Posted April 1, 2012 I did pull the rods out to replace the seal at the slave cylinder. But I put everything back like it was supposed to be. I checked that closely. maybe the clutch plates are in wrong..... I haven't re-built my master yet but not sure that would do much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankd Posted April 1, 2012 Share #15 Posted April 1, 2012 If the clutch isn't disengaging all the way, try bleeding the clutch before you try anything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChurchBuilder Posted April 2, 2012 Author Share #16 Posted April 2, 2012 Bled it two more times. Same. here is my list of things to check tomorrow after work.... clutch in wrong? I was pretty careful pressure plate bolts too tight? 7 ft-lb instead of 5.5? worn clutch rods? master cylinder needs re-built? Am I missing anything? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkuhr Posted April 2, 2012 Share #17 Posted April 2, 2012 With cover off observe clutch plates releasing. Does not take much. I measured .071" stroke when I had my problem. If you have the stroke, but still will not disengage clutch then I would suspect improper assembly. If you do not have the stroke, I would suspect air in slave, missing pushrod ball, or improper mounted slave.(gap in stroke) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dingy Posted April 2, 2012 Share #18 Posted April 2, 2012 There was a post a few weeks ago that Dano had pointed out an issue with one of the washers on the clutch basket would cause a similar problem if not put in the right place. You might PM Dano and ask him about it. I don't recall what thread it was. Gary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket Posted April 2, 2012 Share #19 Posted April 2, 2012 Check this out. http://www.venturerider.org/forum/showthread.php?t=48414 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChurchBuilder Posted April 3, 2012 Author Share #20 Posted April 3, 2012 Thanks everyone for all the help. I pulled it all apart again and re-assembled. This time I turned the clutch plates around per the shop manual. The plates have 2 notches on one side and one on the other. Manual says to turn these around for sticking clutch. Not sure iof that was the problem but I'm riding now.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dingy Posted April 4, 2012 Share #21 Posted April 4, 2012 Check this out. http://www.venturerider.org/forum/showthread.php?t=48414 Sorry Rocket, I thought it was Dano that had posted this. My bad. Gary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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