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    Default Re: Did you go to Sturgis this year - 2020 ?

    Quote Originally Posted by djh3 View Post
    One of my big struggles/complaints on the whole thing is the inconsistency. One week its "warm weather will knock this down" Now that summer is over and cases are still climbing they switch some other narrative. Then they say "wear a face cover" Any covering will at least knock down the "unseen enemy" Then hear a few weeks later oh the gators are worse than nothing. Really? Now some are on the rampage of the mask with the valve not preventing it. Grrrrr The VA just sent an email out saying you can not wear the valve masks to their facilities.
    FYI gators slice the droplets because they are so porous. Valve masks send your own breath straight out into the air. The whole purpose of masks is to protect the OTHER GUY from you.
    just saying but not trying to start a mask war. Just curious how many people got Covid from sturgis.
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    Default Re: Did you go to Sturgis this year - 2020 ?

    Ones I see valves are on side. But back to Sturgis. Wonder how many cases of just plain ole flu were spread there and they count it as the bug c-19. Some how money has to be attched to cases or else they wouldnt be trying to connect every death whether gunshot, traffic accident or medical to it.
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    I don't see any way to find out how many cases were really trafficked through Sturgis, safe to say a helluva lot. Not many here trust our administrative officials enough to allow them to track us through an app, in fact that is laughable at best that anyone counting on voluntary tracking got anywhere near the truth. It wont be much time before an official in SD comes up with a study saying that 12 people were infected in Sturgis, and 5 more on the way back, or some such absurd thing.

    Whatever local authorities insist upon here will automatically cause many to do the opposite (right or wrong) without thinking anything of it. Defiance first, common sense later, maybe. We need more defiance than we have, but it has to be tempered with not stepping on the rights/safety of others.

    I own being a bubbling seething cauldron of white-hot defiance, but like many I'm trying to balance safety with non-optional stuff like earning. Panic-inducing headlines about grave milestones and hordes of dead globally do not help those trying to understand the true scope of the issue and do the right thing. This media frenzy is just a bit more evidence that journalistic integrity left the building right behind Elvis. As in any crisis, cooler heads prevail, widespread panic or complete disregard is terrible for everyone.

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    Default Re: Did you go to Sturgis this year - 2020 ?

    Last i read a couple days ago, the cdc said they traced less then 300 people that got c19 and 1 death. Stop reading the b.s. on social media.
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    My understanding is, if you come down with the symptoms and you get tested and, test positive for C-19 they ask a series of questions regarding exposure.

    In a case such as we are discussing the answer would likely be "yes I was at a rally" which one? Then eventually the CDC will have somewhat of an accounting of who caught what where....

    And: as of today they have a new term for this type of viral transmission/catching "Herd Mentality" now like many of you, that surprised me, and of course I thought it was "fake news" but nope I saw with my own eyes a news clip and is what that very highly educated VIP that claims constantly "I know the very best people" said!

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    Quote Originally Posted by steamer View Post
    Last i read a couple days ago, the cdc said they traced less then 300 people that got c19 and 1 death. Stop reading the b.s. on social media.
    This forum is as close to social media as I get so I have no idea what sort of disproportionate leading information is on FB, twitter, SC, Google, Fox, CNN or other garbage sources. I can only imagine the nonsense flows like fine wine there on the best of days haha.
    One thing we know is news outlets are not missing this opportunity to monetize on all the hysterics. Clicks = $$$$. I would prefer that they keep calm, inform and educate folks, but the waters sure get murkier once a crisis becomes politicized. At this point it becomes an unreasonable expectation that one could gain perspective and become properly informed on this issue by watching just about any news outlet today.

    I'm actually a little surprised (apprehensive) that the CDC were able to conclusively trace ~300. It is important, IMHO, to draw a distinction between CDC traceable cases and actual likely transmissions. That CDC number must still be pushed through a BIG magnifier to cover all those that contracted it and didn't know, didn't care, didn't report. I would not want the job of trying to trace cases from this mess of tourists that come from all over. 300 could be easily exposed by one single contagious person huffing, puffing and pushing their way through the crowds for a day or two. It's just that most that get it wont be too effected, or for too long. It's just not that big of a deal to most without the risk factors, so most of us can indeed calm down now.

    I'm not trying to muddy your point, I very much agree with the spirit of your post, but the distinction between CDC traceable numbers and actual potential infections should not be disregarded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaseyJ955 View Post
    This forum is as close to social media as I get so I have no idea what sort of disproportionate leading information is on FB, twitter, SC, Google, Fox, CNN or other garbage sources. I can only imagine the nonsense flows like fine wine there on the best of days haha.
    One thing we know is news outlets are not missing this opportunity to monetize on all the hysterics. Clicks = $$$$. I would prefer that they keep calm, inform and educate folks, but the waters sure get murkier once a crisis becomes politicized. At this point it becomes an unreasonable expectation that one could gain perspective and become properly informed on this issue by watching just about any news outlet today.

    I'm actually a little surprised (apprehensive) that the CDC were able to conclusively trace ~300. It is important, IMHO, to draw a distinction between CDC traceable cases and actual likely transmissions. That CDC number must still be pushed through a BIG magnifier to cover all those that contracted it and didn't know, didn't care, didn't report. I would not want the job of trying to trace cases from this mess of tourists that come from all over. 300 could be easily exposed by one single contagious person huffing, puffing and pushing their way through the crowds for a day or two. It's just that most that get it wont be too effected, or for too long. It's just not that big of a deal to most without the risk factors, so most of us can indeed calm down now.

    I'm not trying to muddy your point, I very much agree with the spirit of your post, but the distinction between CDC traceable numbers and actual potential infections should not be disregarded.

    As soon as the media (and politicians) started reporting and blowing things out of proportion, it went downhill very fast.
    Early on it was portrayed "as the end of life as we know it" and "everyone over a certain age was going to die". Actually had people say that to me and my wife.

    The ones "in charge" are still claiming that they are "following the science", but in reality that is far from the actual truth of the matter.
    Since I live in Pennsylvania I will use that as an example.
    Total Population: 12,802,000 (Estimated by by Census Bureau as of July 1, 2019)
    Total Covid-19 Positive Tests: 145,000 As of 9-14-20 Reported by PA Dept of Health (Will not start a debate about whether or not testing is valid just using their reported numbers)
    Total Reported Deaths Attributed to Covid-19: 7,800 As of 9-14-20 Reported by PA Dept of Health(Again, will not debate accuracy of this number, just using their reported numbers)
    Percentage of Reported Deaths to Reported Positive Tests as of 9-14-20: 5.4% (Calculated from above numbers)
    Percentage of Covid-19 Deaths to Total Population: 0.061% (Calculated from above numbers)

    Add to this the US information as of today from the US Census Bureau and CDC website.
    Total US Pop: 330,301,742
    Total US Case Covid-19: 6,537,627
    Total US Deaths Covid-19: 194,092
    Deaths as a percentage of Total Cases: 2.97%
    Deaths as a percentage of Total Pop: 0.0589%

    And at least in Pennsylvania the vast majority of deaths have occurred in nursing homes and like facilities.
    And this is were our Governor and State Secretary of Health were sending known cases.

    Remember we were told that there would be 250K deaths by summer. Didn't happened.
    And yet again we are being told that there is a "Second Wave" coming this fall with another 250k of deaths.

    Naturally, the more testing that is being done, the more cases that are being reported.
    We are also inundated with the total number of deaths, and again I am not going to debate the accuracy of those numbers.
    The simple fact that is not being reported is that the percentage of deaths compared to the total cases and the total population is continuing to drop.
    And that percentage is in line with what it would be from just the ordinary flu.

    We must get away from the fear and the how we think / feel basis of decisions and policy and get back to a normal way of life based upon the truth.
    The number one instrument that is being used to drive the current narrative is the face mask.
    The ultimate goal, and I believe that there is at least one, is that of control.

    I encourage everyone, not just residents of Pennsylvania, to check out the open letter to the Commonwealth of PA at https://americanpastorsnetwork.net/restorethelaw/
    The resolution can be viewed here: https://americanpastorsnetwork.net/a-resolution/

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    Well I read the complete ............... and c and all in the name of God too.
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    To issue a concurrent resolution of the House and Senate declaring the decision of the Supreme Court justices acting on King’s Bench authority in declaring the lawful action of the General Assembly, as contained in House Resolution 836, to be null, void, and without authority, and
    To inform the citizens of the Commonwealth of the serious detrimental nature in which the governor and the executive branch have operated in league with the Supreme Court justices, and

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