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    Default Very thought invoking article on covid-19

    I stumbled on this article and found it really does make you think.

    https://www.wired.com/story/larry-br...=pocket-newtab
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    Thanks. An excellent article that everyone should consider reading.
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    Makes a lot of sense. Perhaps there is one individual who knows what he is talking about and lays it out so that we can deal with it. The question that remains, will his advise be followed.

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    Interesting / informative read. Looks like it can have some REALLY deadly effects. I just don't understand why I still don't know anyone who's been sick from it. Seems like everyone I talk to knows someone, or knows someone who knows someone who's had it.
    I'm down here in Myrtle Beach for a few days, and there are mask requirements, and threats of fines, but I'd say only about half the folks are wearing them. I'll put mine on if required to enter a facility, then notice that I'm one of about 3 people wearing one, so I'll take it off....can't breathe well in those things. Sanitize hands when I think I need to, try to keep my distance when appropriate, and try to enjoy life.
    Crazy times we're livin' in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uncledj View Post
    Interesting / informative read. Looks like it can have some REALLY deadly effects. I just don't understand why I still don't know anyone who's been sick from it. Seems like everyone I talk to knows someone, or knows someone who knows someone who's had it.
    I would say be thankful you don't, I know I am, because sadly the world is full of people who I am sure wish they could say the same thing.
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    I read this article this morning. His insight should be heard by everyone who still thinks that COVID19 is one big hoax.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crichens View Post
    I read this article this morning. His insight should be heard by everyone who still thinks that COVID19 is one big hoax.
    The home My mother is in had 3 cases and the military had to come in to clean up as it was brought in by outside workers and could have been a lot worse had the administrative staff not been on the ball and jumped on it from the begining. In Hamilton an entire home was infected, 3 people died and all residents had to be evacuated to any available hospital space in the city, because the administrators did not take this threat seriously. Hoax?? This has gone to far for anyone to even consider the word hoax at this point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crichens View Post
    I read this article this morning. His insight should be heard by everyone who still thinks that COVID19 is one big hoax.
    I don't know anyone who thinks COVID19 is a hoax. The hoax is in how the U.S. Left Wing, has politicized and weaponized it to sabotage our economy and are constantly changing the story to suite their needs at the moment.

    You do realize that the idiots that have been condeming Trump for not wearing a mask when everyone around him is under intense scrutiny from a medical standpoint and are now screaming "hypocrasy!" at him when he masked up for a hospital visit are the same people who told us anyone who wore a mask was an idiot and didn't understand the science when this all first became a major news story, right?

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    Best cease and desist right there.
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    Won't come up on my computer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by luvmy40 View Post
    I don't know anyone who thinks COVID19 is a hoax. The hoax is in how the U.S. Left Wing, has politicized and weaponized it to sabotage our economy and are constantly changing the story to suite their needs at the moment.

    You do realize that the idiots that have been condeming Trump for not wearing a mask when everyone around him is under intense scrutiny from a medical standpoint and are now screaming "hypocrasy!" at him when he masked up for a hospital visit are the same people who told us anyone who wore a mask was an idiot and didn't understand the science when this all first became a major news story, right?

    The virus is not a hoax, our politics are the hoax.
    I think a large part of the so called hypocrisy has more to do with how little was understood about the virus and the initial thought was to wear a mask to protect oneself. In which case wearing a mask unless it is custom fitted would be useless. The reason being air will always take the path of least resistance so any air you inhale will go in through gaps between the face and the mask rather than through the restrictive material of the mask and this why many and not just in the USA have initially said wearing a mask is pointless. The reason for the change on the the use of masks has to do more with the fact that we now know that the virus can spread as much as 10 days before symptoms appear so the case for wearing the mask has more to do with protecting those around you in case you had it but where unaware of it. We now know which we did not in the beginning that if you did have it a simple conversation while being to close can spread it and a sneeze or cough can send the virus as much as 12 feet though the air. It is also begining to look like it could be air born as well. This is why the about face on the idea of wearing the mask. Not to protect the wearer of the mask but to slow down the spread by preventing individuals who may be unaware they have it from infecting others. I for one would hate to suddenly find out I accidently infected my 92 year old mother because I refused to wear a mask.
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    Quote Originally Posted by saddlebum View Post
    I think a large part of the so called hypocrisy has more to do with how little was understood about the virus and the initial thought was to wear a mask to protect oneself. In which case wearing a mask unless it is custom fitted would be useless. The reason being air will always take the path of least resistance so any air you inhale will go in through gaps between the face and the mask rather than through the restrictive material of the mask and this why many and not just in the USA have initially said wearing a mask is pointless. The reason for the change on the the use of masks has to do more with the fact that we now know that the virus can spread as much as 10 days before symptoms appear so the case for wearing the mask has more to do with protecting those around you in case you had it but where unaware of it. We now know which we did not in the beginning that if you did have it a simple conversation while being to close can spread it and a sneeze or cough can send the virus as much as 12 feet though the air. It is also begining to look like it could be air born as well. This is why the about face on the idea of wearing the mask. Not to protect the wearer of the mask but to slow down the spread by preventing individuals who may be unaware they have it from infecting others. I for one would hate to suddenly find out I accidently infected my 92 year old mother because I refused to wear a mask.
    My main issues with all of this are:
    1. The seemingly lack of common sense. By both news media and public officials.
    2. The misinformation in the widely watched and read public news media.
    3. The lack of credible, fact based information put out by various sources.
    4. The political finger pointing and subversive agendas to control the population by fear and coercion.

    Not trying to start an argument or a debate, but just to point out the lack of logic, common sense and truth being reported by the media (both news and social) that is so widespread.
    Points to consider:
    A. Lack of consistency of reporting the true cause of death. Seems like every death is caused by covid-19.
    B. The fact that people can and do test positive (from a valid test) and had very mild cases or never had any symptoms at all.
    C. It seems as though the vast majority of deaths reported to be caused by covid-19 are individuals that have one or more underlying medical conditions that weaken their immune systems.
    Covid-19 is the proverbial straw.
    D. The seemingly lack of testing and use of various non-conventional therapies. Both for treatment and prevention.

    Here is where logic comes into play.
    It was reported early on that the covid-19 virus was airborne.
    That being said, it means that it doesn't spread just by touch, coughing or sneezing. It can be put into the air just by breathing.
    The virus itself is very small, 0.12 microns.
    N95 masks protect down to 0.1 microns, but with only 95% efficiency, which is where it gets its name.
    Even wearing one of these medical grade masks you are not totally protected. That would be one, but not the only, reason that medical professionals have become infected.
    So the masks that everyone is wearing on their faces are not really doing anything given the materials and the fact that they are not even close to being sealed to the face.
    The air that is being breathed in and out will always take the path of least resistance.

    I admit that I am not an expert and haven't read and studied everything there is about this. Just about impossible for an individual to that.
    But from what I have seen, there are some valid reasons that a truly effect vaccine hasn't been developed for these types of viruses.
    The main one being that by the time a vaccine is developed, run through test trials, produced in sufficient quantities and then distributed the original virus has mutated or another virus comes about and the vaccine is useless.

    This is where "herd immunity" comes into play. Herd immunity can be reached when a sufficient number of people in the population have recovered from a disease and have developed antibodies against future infection. For example, those who survived the 1918 flu (influenza) pandemic were later immune to infection with the H1N1 flu, a subtype of influenza A. During the 2009-10 flu season, H1N1 caused the respiratory infection in humans that was commonly referred to as swine flu.
    This is why these types of infections run out of people to infect and eventually "burn themselves out".

    A real plan of action would be one where the most vulnerable segment of the population is protected as much as possible from being infected.
    The healthy population, who have no risk factors and if they contract the illness may experience no symptoms or at the very worst the equivalent to a bad case of the flu should not be restricted in movement, gathering or required to wear masks.
    These are the people who will have contact with it and build the herd immunity the best and fastest.

    More testing naturally means more cases.
    Because of the lack of any testing early on, we do not know when these now positive individuals were infected.
    They could have been infected back in March for all anyone knows.

    Unfortunately, the "cure" being forced upon our country's economy is going to be worse than impact of the disease itself.

    Argo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Argo View Post
    My main issues with all of this are:
    1. The seemingly lack of common sense. By both news media and public officials.
    2. The misinformation in the widely watched and read public news media.
    3. The lack of credible, fact based information put out by various sources.
    4. The political finger pointing and subversive agendas to control the population by fear and coercion.

    Not trying to start an argument or a debate, but just to point out the lack of logic, common sense and truth being reported by the media (both news and social) that is so widespread.
    Points to consider:
    A. Lack of consistency of reporting the true cause of death. Seems like every death is caused by covid-19.
    B. The fact that people can and do test positive (from a valid test) and had very mild cases or never had any symptoms at all.
    C. It seems as though the vast majority of deaths reported to be caused by covid-19 are individuals that have one or more underlying medical conditions that weaken their immune systems.
    Covid-19 is the proverbial straw.
    D. The seemingly lack of testing and use of various non-conventional therapies. Both for treatment and prevention.

    Here is where logic comes into play.
    It was reported early on that the covid-19 virus was airborne.
    That being said, it means that it doesn't spread just by touch, coughing or sneezing. It can be put into the air just by breathing.
    The virus itself is very small, 0.12 microns.
    N95 masks protect down to 0.1 microns, but with only 95% efficiency, which is where it gets its name.
    Even wearing one of these medical grade masks you are not totally protected. That would be one, but not the only, reason that medical professionals have become infected.
    So the masks that everyone is wearing on their faces are not really doing anything given the materials and the fact that they are not even close to being sealed to the face.
    The air that is being breathed in and out will always take the path of least resistance.

    I admit that I am not an expert and haven't read and studied everything there is about this. Just about impossible for an individual to that.
    But from what I have seen, there are some valid reasons that a truly effect vaccine hasn't been developed for these types of viruses.
    The main one being that by the time a vaccine is developed, run through test trials, produced in sufficient quantities and then distributed the original virus has mutated or another virus comes about and the vaccine is useless.

    This is where "herd immunity" comes into play. Herd immunity can be reached when a sufficient number of people in the population have recovered from a disease and have developed antibodies against future infection. For example, those who survived the 1918 flu (influenza) pandemic were later immune to infection with the H1N1 flu, a subtype of influenza A. During the 2009-10 flu season, H1N1 caused the respiratory infection in humans that was commonly referred to as swine flu.
    This is why these types of infections run out of people to infect and eventually "burn themselves out".

    A real plan of action would be one where the most vulnerable segment of the population is protected as much as possible from being infected.
    The healthy population, who have no risk factors and if they contract the illness may experience no symptoms or at the very worst the equivalent to a bad case of the flu should not be restricted in movement, gathering or required to wear masks.
    These are the people who will have contact with it and build the herd immunity the best and fastest.

    More testing naturally means more cases.
    Because of the lack of any testing early on, we do not know when these now positive individuals were infected.
    They could have been infected back in March for all anyone knows.

    Unfortunately, the "cure" being forced upon our country's economy is going to be worse than impact of the disease itself.

    Argo


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    Living here in the land of the free and living thru these recent attacks by globalist and socialist who have the intent of forcing our great republic (speaking of the U.S.A.) onto a sinking ship they call a better way of life, has taught me something - that being that they will stop at nothing to bring down and erase from existence any remaining knowledge of this great land of freedom = freedoms last chance..
    With that said and totally believing the above to be the case,, anytime I set out to read an article that has the potential for being politically charged and/or have political motivation, I ALWAYS investigate where it came from, who is writing it and what type of organization backs it..
    Having done so with this article, I discovered that it's basic foundation is born right out of Frisco, an area of the U.S. that is very well known for its extreme socialist, Anti-America stands and firm leanings to turn our country into a Socialistic society.. I also found that "Wired",, the Website which hosted the interview, is also of the same denomination of which I completely find repulsive from a political standpoint..
    Being one to believe in fairness though and in a bold attempt to remain open minded concerning the article itself,,, I did actually read the complete interview.. While there were some interesting points made indeed that may hold some truths,, there were also some political swipes made against my country and her POTUS that I must take issue with. Lets start here:

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    Because we pulled out of the World Health Organization?
    We havenít pulled out of the World Health Organization. [laughs] Itís not even clear how you pull out of the World Health Organization. Distancing ourselves is probably a better word. It just makes us look like clowns. WHO is stronger than ever. The rest of the world has rallied to its side. The Trump Administration was not in the meetings where WHO was raising $8 to $12 billion just to help plan for the vaccination program. Americaís money has been replaced by other countries donating it. And with it will come the inevitable soft power that comes with funding.

    The readers of the interview were never told about WHY our President and his Admin chose to not attend the meetings.. In fair play and in helping those here in the club who did take the time to read the article understand why he made that choice for America, I now implore you to do the same with the video I post below and view it with an open mind.. In it, our President explains why he made that decision.. I believe that anyone who has read the article now owes it to themselves to also give our President a chance to explain.. I could attempt to explain it all but truly believe it best to hear this from the horses mouth:

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    this could get heated so be careful, because it could be very interesting reading also. my thoughts Truth Matters and always has I like it Puc.
    Argo you said so much I can't agree or disagree on all of it
    Saddlebum, I agree but for the people that says the mask makes it hard to breath doesn't that mean it is sealing and is doing some filtering going in but the filtering when breathing out is just as if not more important.
    Hoax, there are some people here where I work kept saying it was all political and just a hoax and we have some that put their mask on when they get out of bed each day but I guess I am kind of in the middle. I do believe and I do take more caution and wash my hands more than I ever have I believe we need to do what we can to slow the spread so the medical community and resources are not over whelmed with to many at one time.
    my coworkers have calmed the negative talk down some because we had one person test positive and five people went out with symptoms and three out of five tested positive so we can trace how and when that one person infected the others it is very contagious.
    sorry for being so long but just voicing my thoughts, I believe the social distancing, wearing of the mask and personal hygiene will make a difference.
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