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    Quote Originally Posted by uncledj View Post
    I do not consider the "thinking man" sheep....quite the opposite.
    Critical thought is what would prevent panic / overreaction.
    Agreed Uncle.
    I realize I applied some pressure your way. But, as you mentioned you are young and strong meaning you can take it

    From the outset it wasn't much of a challenge to predict the conspiracy theories lurking around the corner. That said the mood and direction has changed, we are a small part of this change, we also demonstrated once again our differences are what sets this club apart from most out there so, cheers!

    I did take note to a few words spoken today by the President "China is not a beneficiary..."
    My logic says that should spell the end to unfounded conspiracies that only exist to distract us from the real ones

    Thanks for helping getting the word out

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    Sound advice, but, moving forward, ....which ones are the "real" conspiracies that I should focus on?

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    I work for a company that has been considered an essential business because we print for the government, USPS, IRS. We have had three people confirmed with the Covid-19 virus. Our CEO of the company sent this article to all the employees and I found it very interesting. Why the coronavirus has been so successful. https://www.theatlantic.com/science/...avirus/608338/

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    Thanks for posting the article, BMW. It gave me some understanding on the mechanism of infection of SARS-CoV-2. To me, it is truly a very aggressive and one thing that is alarming to me is the ability of the virus to remain so deadly to humans even in the warmer climates of the world.
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    So reading through the article, I need to scratch my head somewhat. In most of our world, a dog remains a dog and a cat remains a cat. They have little ones and turn out basically the same as their parents, still dogs and still cats. Now this virus, all on it's own decides to mutate into something that it really is not, it changes very quickly and seems to accommodate itself into something that it's host (us) is more unlikely to be able to resist. So what external forces are driving this change? I know animals can and will adopt to changing environments, but this takes time and generations to complete. What cause this little feller to do this, at will seemingly? I'm not arguing with the article, not at all, but just wondering about what's seems to be discovered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcarl View Post
    So reading through the article, I need to scratch my head somewhat. In most of our world, a dog remains a dog and a cat remains a cat. They have little ones and turn out basically the same as their parents, still dogs and still cats. Now this virus, all on it's own decides to mutate into something that it really is not, it changes very quickly and seems to accommodate itself into something that it's host (us) is more unlikely to be able to resist. So what external forces are driving this change? I know animals can and will adopt to changing environments, but this takes time and generations to complete. What cause this little feller to do this, at will seemingly? I'm not arguing with the article, not at all, but just wondering about what's seems to be discovered.
    The mutations are random - just like in animals and plants. Some mutations will be fatal, many will be benign and a few will confer an advantage - just like in animals and plants. The reason it doesn't take much time is the number of viruses is unimaginably large and they reproduce quickly. So the number of iterations that might take many thousands of years in an animal only requires a few days for a virus strain.

    By the way, being deadly to the host is not an advantage for the virus. A dead host won't spread the virus. From an evolutionary perspective it's much better to have a lot of hosts without severe illness transmitting the virus. There is some evidence that that's what's going on here. The virus causes severe illness or death in a relatively small number of hosts.
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    Got my letter (e-mail) that designates me an essential worker.....and I'm laid off...lol.
    From what I've read, this virus isn't all that much different,and it actually hasn't mutated much. The thing that makes it a bit worse is that it more easily creates problems in the lower lungs which makes it more difficult to treat. It'll be more likely to cause pneumonia, which is tough on old folks....Sounds like Freebird is getting it under control...Thank God....

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    Quote Originally Posted by uncledj View Post
    Got my letter (e-mail) that designates me an essential worker.....and I'm laid off...lol.
    From what I've read, this virus isn't all that much different,and it actually hasn't mutated much. The thing that makes it a bit worse is that it more easily creates problems in the lower lungs which makes it more difficult to treat. It'll be more likely to cause pneumonia, which is tough on old folks....Sounds like Freebird is getting it under control...Thank God....
    There are two strains of Cov-19, one more virulent than the other. But the medications being proposed to treat it and the vaccines to prevent it, that are under tests/development are supposed to work on both strains from what I've read.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BMW View Post
    I work for a company that has been considered an essential business because we print for the government, USPS, IRS. We have had three people confirmed with the Covid-19 virus. Our CEO of the company sent this article to all the employees and I found it very interesting. Why the coronavirus has been so successful. https://www.theatlantic.com/science/...avirus/608338/
    I enjoyed the article. I found this interesting:

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    Thereís one possible exception. A few SARS-CoV-2 viruses that were isolated from Singaporean COVID-19 patients are missing a stretch of genes that also disappeared from SARS-classic during the late stages of its epidemic. This change was thought to make the original virus less virulent, but itís far too early to know whether the same applies to the new one. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by MiCarl View Post
    The virus causes severe illness or death in a relatively small number of hosts.
    Yeah.

    It's that phrase "relatively small number" that kills ya.

    Cause if/when the virus "only" kills, say, 2% of the world population......that's "ONLY" 150 MILLION people!

    A buddy of mine used to say "You can drown in water that's an AVERAGE one inch deep."
    The devil is in the details. Those "relative numbers" and "averages" will kill ya!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Semi-retired View Post
    Yeah.

    It's that phrase "relatively small number" that kills ya.

    Cause if/when the virus "only" kills, say, 2% of the world population......that's "ONLY" 150 MILLION people!

    A buddy of mine used to say "You can drown in water that's an AVERAGE one inch deep."
    The devil is in the details. Those "relative numbers" and "averages" will kill ya!

    Doh!
    Yeah the 2% sucks but when you compare it to the different flu strains, alcohol deaths, tobacco, obesity, diabetes, etc it does take on a different view. While Iím a lucky person with a strong immune system, I refuse to live in fear. If I did Iíd quit riding bikes, running boats and fishing and a lot of other things I do. Weíve had several deaths this year on our local lakes but no virus deaths on this end of the state yet. Another thing to think about is the 2% is of confirmed cases, very few are being tested so the true number of cases is actually much higher therefore the fatality percentage will be much lower than 2%. 80% of those who have it show light if any symptoms so how many of those get tested?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RDawson View Post
    Another thing to think about is the 2% is of confirmed cases, very few are being tested so the true number of cases is actually much higher therefore the fatality percentage will be much lower than 2%. 80% of those who have it show light if any symptoms so how many of those get tested?


    Hang on Mr. Dawson you can't pick and choose, they are both averages therefore carry such baggage as averages do.

    This strain for all we know may mutate yet? For example look at the number of younger people coming down with it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patch View Post
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    Hang on Mr. Dawson you can't pick and choose, they are both averages therefore carry such baggage as averages do.

    This strain for all we know may mutate yet? For example look at the number of younger people coming down with it...
    What am I picking and choosing? Published medical records say 80% of infected people will show mild to no symptoms. The only people being tested right now are those showing a high risk of having the virus. There is a less than 2% fatality rate of positive tested people in the US. Common sense tells that there is a large number of people with the virus are not being tested since they show no symptoms. Therefore the 2% fatality rate is not a number to use to estimate death unless every person is infected. That is like saying 1% (made up # since I donít know) of American bikers will crash and then saying 1% of Americans will crash even though the majority will never ride a bike.
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    Jeepers Mr. Dawson I kind of got lost there? I must of gone thru a swarm of bugs that you obviously missed covering my entire windshield causing me to swerve into the back of the speeding truck bumper heading in the opposite direction!?

    The flaw is (in my humble opinion) that your argument is based fatalities, not impact

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    Just to put it in perspective......1.5 MILLION people worldwide died of TB in 2018....where was the panic?

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