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    Default Re: 87 stator/crank cover stripped screw

    Swapped spark plugs, no noticeable difference.. Patch, should I top up gas tank with untreated fuel to lean out Seafoam?

    Quote Originally Posted by Patch View Post
    now spray some Carbon blaster or WD right down tight to the jet.. Note the changes let it run for a couple minutes afterwards to clear those jets!

    Refill the bowls with Carbon Blaster
    Time to get some serious carb cleaner before proceeding further with cleaning. The only online source found for C.B. was Performance Lubricants in Whitby, about an hour run. Did you find CB in a retail automotive outlet? The pucster had a few suggestions. I have a good rapport with our GM dealer maybe drop in there this week see what they recommend. Also hit up Napa and Carquest this week as they might have a heavy duty carb cleaner.
    The 2 aerosol cleaners I've been using are Gunk carb parts cleaner & Gunk Carb Medic carb cleaner.

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    I don't use much Gunk product anymore, but if it is a Carb cleaner or carbon cleaner that will work.

    Important to remember that the strong mixes of seafoam can make your spark plugs wet, is why we suggest the 50/50 mix for a warm engine!

    Other than that and from Max I suggest you follow the steps we laid out earlier in the day as was scheduled, that way we can think on the results of those procedures

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patch View Post
    I don't use much Gunk product anymore, but if it is a Carb cleaner or carbon cleaner that will work.

    Important to remember that the strong mixes of seafoam can make your spark plugs wet, is why we suggest the 50/50 mix for a warm engine!

    Other than that and from Max I suggest you follow the steps we laid out earlier in the day as was scheduled, that way we can think on the results of those procedures
    Appreciate the help ! I'll review and follow thru on steps advised as time allows.

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    Well, well, more progress as the stars begin to align.

    Removed No.2 pilot air jets and pilot screws. The pilot screw 'tips', springs, O rings and washers looked good. Cleaned all ports and surfaces for 3 full cycles with Gunk carb cleaner and chased with compressed air lightly.
    Of note, carb #2 pilot screw came out with 2 of the tiny washers. I assume the extra stuck on from the assembly line? Drained bowls. Turned pilot screws from 4 to 2.5 turns. Left the additional amount
    of Seafoam in fuel tank at this point.

    Today, bike starts normal and rpm's run away with choke on but eventually settle to 1000-1500 rpm after a minute or two. This might be normal at this point? Once the bike is warmed, it idles rough, but idles around 1000 rpm. Throttle response almost what I think is normal. So here we are,,, motor warmed to temp, choke off, idles ok, throttle response not bad, all lights function properly, tires inflated, brakes ok, no warning lights and no error codes. What's a fella to do?

    Took it around the block a couple of times, maybe 2 km's. Didn't take it out of 1st gear up to 4000 rpm. Smooth as silk thru rpm range. Responsive to deceleration. More than enough punch for a short ride. Still grinning . Thanks for helping make it happen guys.

    There are a couple of steps remaining on the to do list as suggested in previous posts. Ultimately the Seafoam will be diluted from fuel in the tank. Pilots will be readjusted closer to 2 turns if that plays out and carb sync in the works.
    In hindsight, as Flyinfool mentioned, proper winterization could have prevented these problems. I'm usually obsessed keeping equipment maintained and in shape. In this case she was purchased 6 years ago as a part bike to keep her sister healthy. Stator cover was off for the last 3 years, so at least 3 years of sitting unwinterized in the garage didn't help. Lesson learned. Will post a couple of pics after the twins get dressed up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Max View Post
    Well, well, more progress as the stars begin to align.

    Removed No.2 pilot air jets and pilot screws. The pilot screw 'tips', springs, O rings and washers looked good. Cleaned all ports and surfaces for 3 full cycles with Gunk carb cleaner and chased with compressed air lightly.
    Of note, carb #2 pilot screw came out with 2 of the tiny washers. I assume the extra stuck on from the assembly line? Drained bowls. Turned pilot screws from 4 to 2.5 turns. Left the additional amount
    of Seafoam in fuel tank at this point.

    Today, bike starts normal and rpm's run away with choke on but eventually settle to 1000-1500 rpm after a minute or two. This might be normal at this point? Once the bike is warmed, it idles rough, but idles around 1000 rpm. Throttle response almost what I think is normal. So here we are,,, motor warmed to temp, choke off, idles ok, throttle response not bad, all lights function properly, tires inflated, brakes ok, no warning lights and no error codes. What's a fella to do?


    Took it around the block a couple of times, maybe 2 km's. Didn't take it out of 1st gear up to 4000 rpm. Smooth as silk thru rpm range. Responsive to deceleration. More than enough punch for a short ride. Still grinning . Thanks for helping make it happen guys.

    There are a couple of steps remaining on the to do list as suggested in previous posts. Ultimately the Seafoam will be diluted from fuel in the tank. Pilots will be readjusted closer to 2 turns if that plays out and carb sync in the works.
    In hindsight, as Flyinfool mentioned, proper winterization could have prevented these problems. I'm usually obsessed keeping equipment maintained and in shape. In this case she was purchased 6 years ago as a part bike to keep her sister healthy. Stator cover was off for the last 3 years, so at least 3 years of sitting unwinterized in the garage didn't help. Lesson learned. Will post a couple of pics after the twins get dressed up.
    For the moment I wouldn't worry much about the idle in those mentioned ranges. If for example she suddenly started to race from idle then you are chasing an air leak.

    Interrelations in 1st & 2nd help rattle the compression rings which is not a bad idea in getting them to clean landings and spring better.

    Is she a candidate for a compression test? Absolutely after 6 years, check out the (case for fogging)
    thread see if it makes sense and its easy to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Max View Post
    Checking the last post in the thread, this project has been on the shelf since Jan 2017. Picked up the pieces about 5 weeks ago. (thanks Covid isolation) Resolved all but one issue as follows after bike was reassembled. It ran fine pre-project, that was 3 years ago.

    Today, turn ignition on, fuel pump sounds normal, CPU cycles thru self check no errors, neutral light ok, apply choke and it fires up like a champ. At this point it won't idle properly, when choke is slowly removed it will eventually stall. Restarts ok with choke and rpms runaway, when choke is feathered back slowly, it will idle fine for minutes but the choke is still in play. As the engine heats to temperature the choke must be on slightly or it will stall. During any of this process if the throttle is twisted at all, the engine stalls immediately. All cylinders appear to be firing and runs smooth throughout. There is very little to no backfiring during the whole process. Here's what I've checked to date:

    Drained old gas, added fresh gas and a few ozs of Seafoam. Checked spark on all plugs. Checked carb linkages. Good fuel flow thru gas filter. Checked carb throat and slides through air filter compartment. All diaphragms intact and slide assemblies appear ok. Throttle and throttle linkages feel and look normal. Idle at thumbscrew adjustment appears ok. Haven't touched any carb adjustment screws or jets.

    Not sure what to poke or prod next, hoping I missed something obvious ... any help or suggestions would be very much appreciated !
    I have pretty much this exact same problem. The 87 I picked up last summer will not idle without the choke until very warm. also, the idle speed screw has to be cranked in all the way for the bike to idle at around 800 rpm. Already did the seafoam thing but have yet been able to run the snot out of it for a couple hundred miles. since I only used what was left in a can, after reading all these fantastic posts Im gunna dump in a can with fresh gas, back that idle screw off some and run what they call the circle up here. its approx 240 miles with 90 miles of it in 75mph limit highways heading south on 95 from Houlton Maine to to Lincoln. If that dont clear it up, OFF THEY COME! Thanks All for the great info. I at least now have a plan ...
    Dont Blame me if Im in your way, Ive already been dead and tried my best to not be in your way. God has other plans so go ask him what the problem is an lemme know what he says.
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    Hi Phil, Thanks for finding the post glad you mentioned your situation.
    If I ted last week if you haven't found may suggest you repost this in the thread you started last week if you haven't found the solution here in this thread.

    I know OP here still has some questions to post/work thru it could get confusing

    You could just use the cut and paste short cut... or maybe Marcarl can wave his wand and POOF?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poppa Phill View Post
    I have pretty much this exact same problem. The 87 I picked up last summer will not idle without the choke until very warm. also, the idle speed screw has to be cranked in all the way for the bike to idle at around 800 rpm. Already did the seafoam thing but have yet been able to run the snot out of it for a couple hundred miles. since I only used what was left in a can, after reading all these fantastic posts Im gunna dump in a can with fresh gas, back that idle screw off some and run what they call the circle up here. its approx 240 miles with 90 miles of it in 75mph limit highways heading south on 95 from Houlton Maine to to Lincoln. If that dont clear it up, OFF THEY COME! Thanks All for the great info. I at least now have a plan ...
    Hey Poppa Phil, beautiful country over your way. We've enjoyed touring ME a few times over the years crossing at Houlton/Woodstock.

    I should be the last one here to give you further advice as I'm at the tail end of dealing with my 87' issues that brothers are leading me thru. I have some thoughts but wouldn't chance leading you in the wrong direction. There is a wealth of information in these threads hope you might find helpful.
    As Patch mentioned, you might get better exposure resolving your idling/running issues by starting a thread on the subject. I'd be interested to hear the outcome. Best of luck.

    Quote Originally Posted by Patch View Post
    Hi Phil, Thanks for finding the post glad you mentioned your situation.
    If I ted last week if you haven't found may suggest you repost this in the thread you started last week if you haven't found the solution here in this thread.

    I know OP here still has some questions to post/work thru it could get confusing

    You could just use the cut and paste short cut... or maybe Marcarl can wave his wand and POOF?
    probably the best way to go ..

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    Fired up the 87' this morning , idled somewhat better again than last week. At the point were I'm going to siphon heavy ratio seafoam/gas, replace with straight gas and run it thru. The idle will hold around 1000 rpm without choke when warm. Carb sync in the works this week.

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    Hey Poppa Phil, beautiful country over your way. We've enjoyed touring ME a few times over the years crossing at Houlton/Woodstock.

    I should be the last one here to give you further advice as I'm at the tail end of dealing with my 87' issues that brothers are leading me thru. I have some thoughts but wouldn't chance leading you in the wrong direction. There is a wealth of information in these threads hope you might find helpful.
    As Patch mentioned, you might get better exposure resolving your idling/running issues by starting a thread on the subject. I'd be interested to hear the outcome. Best of luck.



    probably the best way to go ..
    Gonna Do Just that as soon as figure out where it goes, Im to new to be ruffling feathers dropping potholes in front of Bikers !(lmao),,,,
    Dont Blame me if Im in your way, Ive already been dead and tried my best to not be in your way. God has other plans so go ask him what the problem is an lemme know what he says.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poppa Phill View Post
    Gonna Do Just that as soon as figure out where it goes, Im to new to be ruffling feathers dropping potholes in front of Bikers !(lmao),,,,
    You won't ruffle our feathers none,, we'll just point you to a corner and tell you to stay there while we clean up the mess that somebody made,,,, nah, it's all good, we are here to help, not to criticize.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcarl View Post
    You won't ruffle our feathers none,, we'll just point you to a corner and tell you to stay there while we clean up the mess that somebody made,,,, nah, it's all good, we are here to help, not to criticize.
    Quote Originally Posted by Poppa Phill View Post
    Gonna Do Just that as soon as figure out where it goes, Im to new to be ruffling feathers dropping potholes in front of Bikers !(lmao),,,,
    No feathers to ruffle over this way Phill, any suggestions or questions, fireaway, I'll try my best. And there are amazing tech's on this board that will pretty well help with any issues on these old rockets.
    Finally decent incoming weather over the next couple of weeks. All being equal minus the CV19, probably would have been on our way to Lake Champlain area or lost somewhere down there.
    Our federal gov't and U.S. just announced border closures at least till June 21st. Guess well settle for a few marathon day trips closer to home.

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    No feathers to ruffle over this way Phill, any suggestions or questions, fireaway, I'll try my best. And there are amazing tech's on this board that will pretty well help with any issues on these old rockets.
    Finally decent incoming weather over the next couple of weeks. All being equal minus the CV19, probably would have been on our way to Lake Champlain area or lost somewhere down there.
    Our federal gov't and U.S. just announced border closures at least till June 21st. Guess well settle for a few marathon day trips closer to home.
    Im gonna Crack that Border as soon as it pops a leak ! I cant wait. there are zero VR peeps up my way in State and im fer sure a F T F kinda guy when it comes to meeting folks and wearing out tires. IM really praying I dont have to get too deep. if so, I will likely buy another scoot mid June or so and wrap this one up till I have better conditions ( roof) to work on it. I already Love it and cant ride it!
    Looking Forward to the Tec chats!
    Dont Blame me if Im in your way, Ive already been dead and tried my best to not be in your way. God has other plans so go ask him what the problem is an lemme know what he says.
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    You guys must be talking bout Lac Champlain named after the FRENCH explore, right

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patch View Post
    You guys must be talking bout Lac Champlain named after the FRENCH explore, right
    One of our favourite runs, steeped in history.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Champlain

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