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  1. I got a 4 brush VMaxstarter off Ebay for my Venture. $60 with shipping. Came off a 92 with 26k miles on it. Sandblasting and powder coating will clean it up like new. 1990 and newer 1st gen VMax's have the 4 brush starter. There have been a few questions on here about this starter. It should crank better than the stock Venture 2 brush starter. Doing the grounding wire mod will be harder to do, since there is not much room on the brush plate to attach the additional ground wire. Also shown is a stock 2 brush starter brush plate for comparison. Gary http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af193/gdingy101/DSC00937.jpg http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af193/gdingy101/DSC00936.jpg http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af193/gdingy101/PICT5143s.jpg
  2. I have searched for an hour and cant find it. There is a specific bike starter that will bolt right on and work perfectly for the MK1 1st gens. I want to upgrade to a 4 brush starter if I am taking the thing off. Anyone have any links or info as to what bikes have a better starter that bolt right on our bikes?
  3. 2001 RSV with 55k miles. Went to start my bike and didn't wait for the 'clicking' fuel pump? to stop before I pressed the starter button. I quickly let off of the starter switch - the bike didn't have enough time to start but did briefly crank. I then set the ignition switch to off, then on, and no power at all; no fuel pump noise, no lights, no radio, nothing. Same thing after numerous attempts. What I have done: All fuses including the main checked and ok. Even replaced some including main. Battery terminals clean and wires secure. Battery checked and voltage is fine. Wires clean and secure to the starter relay. Replaced the ignition main switch with a new one because it was showing signs wear. Still no power when the ignition switch is set to on or acc. What else should I check?
  4. While fiddling with my carbs - and with a battery that is getting low, it feels as if my starter motor clutch is giving up. It could be that as the battery is low and the starter motor has always struggled, it's just not gripping tightly enough , so changing the battery and servicing the starter motor just MIGHT sort things out, otherwise I might have to invest in the starter clutch modification. While searching for bits, though I came across this chap on the US ebay site: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Starter-KIT-Yamaha-M-C-XVZ1200-Venture-XVZ-1200-1198cc-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem414ce55e63QQitemZ280462974563QQptZMotorcyclesQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories He is selling the bits to refurbish the starter motor, but also sells aftermarket starters. He says that all models are available, so I have asked if he can match the later Royal Star starter which I'm told will fit (awaiting an answer) and wondered if anybody had experience of these.
  5. 1983 XVZ12TK About 2 months ago I had to replace my stator because I thought I was having charging issues. I carefully took the cover off taking note of how each of the gears were positioned and then put each one of them exactly as before. Replaced stator, oil, gasket. After reassembly i hooked up the battery and tried to start the bike. Immediately the starter turned over but before the bike started one of the gears disengaged with a gear grinding. I can start the bike but if it doesn't kick off right away the gear disengages. I have taken it back apart 3 times. I even have taken apart one of my parts bike to compare the two thinking I reversed a gear or over looked something. But I can not find any way any of the gears could be installed wrong, I then swapped the starter thinking that maybe the starter was getting ready to bite the dust but the starter that worked perfect of the parts bike does the exact same thing. When the starter spins the motor everything sounds normal. There is no binding or grinding. Has anyone ever made this error? Any ideas on what I have done wrong. I have spent over 30 hours taking it apart, putting it together over and over and I have had it. I love this bike but have to get this fixed. I am beyond the point of spending too much time and $$ .If I can not fix it soon I am either selling or going to take a LONG and expensive road trip to find a reputable tech that knows how to work on this bike. There are no reliable mechanics that are WILLING to work on a bike this age. Add the fact that something is wrong after I worked on it won't help them jump at the opportunity to fix it. Any help is appreciated. PLEASE SOMEONE HELP!!! Chris
  6. Well the lates in my aging royal star woes... it refuses to start. Key in ignition, lights go on...seems good... Hit starter... sounds like a swarm of bees below and in front of the seat. removed seat, repeat procedure... still sounds just in front of the battery compartment... like a old school joy buzzer... put a b attery assis on it, and still the same sound...don't thins it is the battery. could the starter have gone bad... how hard ($$) to fix? internet diagnosis assistance please!
  7. I think the starter clutch on my 1st gen is bad, what are the symptons......not engaging all the time, spinning freely when trying to start? Thats what it does, so would repairing the clutch on it be a remedy or should I change the whole thing? I will be doing this when I pull the motor to fix 2nd gear. Sure wish that motor I was given had the starter with it.............but I am extremely lucky to have it, courtesy of Master Guns.............
  8. I've got the upgraded starter drive installed, the new stator, and also a different rear wheel with good bearings and it runs great. The new starter drive by Dano works fantastic. It engages really clean and positive...no more noises of things slipping. Took the bike on a 50 mile ride yesterday and it feels great. No oil leaks and no new noises. Today I had to put on a new rear tire because my Avon had a plug in it and Barb and I are taking off for a week. The only tire I could find was a Dunlop K591 with Harley Davidson written on the side. The dealer only had one that was a little wider 150x80x16 so it was a b**ch to get in. It was so wide that I had to let the air out and PUSH to get it to go in. It has enough clearance when the shaft drive coupling engages but there isn't much room to spare on the left side at the suspension linkage coupling. I was worried how it would feel, but actually it turns very good. A lot better than the K491 did. The thread looks like a k491, but it's quiet so it has to be a little different. The price surprised me.....$130 from a dealer and only $22 to mount and balance it. For that price I let them do it. Anybody know anything about this tire?? How long do they last? Right after church tomorrow morning, Barb and I are heading south. We're going to meet our friends in the southern tip of Illinois and then spend next week in Arkansas and probably stop in Branson. Hot Springs and Mountain Home were mentioned, but we're only bumming, no schedule. Heck, we might even get to the casinos in Mississippi a little. Frank
  9. Well, I finally got my starter out....haven't had a chance to work on it for a few days. I even got 2 broken bolts and stripped thermostat bolts out! When I opened the starter I was expecting a LOT of dust etc...but there wasn't hardly any. Which makes me wonder if the PO had done anywork on it. Question....the brushes are about 7/16 (or 1 cm") in length. They look like they fill the length of the holders pretty well so I'm thinking they are nearly new. But you tell me.....Do these have lots of life left or should they be replaced? I'm thinking it is such a PITA to get to, I might just as well do it while I'm here. I'm planning on putting in Dingy's ground mod...anything else I should do while I'm there? polish anything or ????? I'm in uncharted territory as far as anything I've done before!
  10. I've charged the battery (1year old gel battery) I cleaned and tightened the connection on the front of the starter I've cleaned and tightened both battery terminals I inspected and checked tightness on Ground at front left of motor STILL turns over so slow (even when cold) it won't start so now what?????????????????????????????????? I've got heavier battery cables on order but they could be 2 weeks away!
  11. Tried to start my 86 VR after it had been sitting about a month. Had a little trouble getting it to fire right away, and ended up running down the battery (it might have been low to start with). Grabbed the jumper cables and hooked them up to the car. Got plenty of cranking power, but the bike still wouldn't fire up (might have flooded it by now). Then I just lost the starter completely. When I press the start button nothing happens except I hear a relay click, to cancel out the headlight I think. I have it in neutral, so I don't think it's related to the sidestand switch or the clutch lever switch. I tried rocking the bike a little in 3rd gear in case the brushes in the starter motor are a little worn and might move them a little. Still nothing. Any suggestions what might be wrong or what else I should be looking for? Thanks.
  12. Been having that box of rocks sound on start upand have been ignoring it as much as was possible. It's been getting worse and worse now starter spins and no motor turn over. Put bike on the right side lean stand took off the stator cover and verified that when start button pushed all gears including large gear behind flywheel spin but does not engage flywheel or turn over crank shaft. Pretty much sounds like the starter clutch.......... Don't ya think? Is the Dano mod still available and is that the current way to go on the starter clutch issue. Feed back appreciated.
  13. Had a wire come off the stable horn. Touched the pipe and caused a short. It melted some plastic off the wiring in the fairing. I've gone through and re-taped, replaced, and recovered the wiring. Everything comes on when you turn on the ignition. But when you press the starter button the Starter Relay Assembly buzzes and thats all. What have I messed up or did the short cause the relay to go bad? I checked all the fuses behind the right side lower cover. Checked the ones under the left side cover below the seat. Checked both fuses that are on the Starter relay assembly. What am I missing? Part number 37 is what is buzzing. http://webservices.motorsportdealers.com/parts/partImages/YAM/2/02/0025/0053.Gif
  14. hello can someone tell wher starter for 86 vr 1300 is located thanx
  15. any one here a Tractor guru?? I am looking for a starter for my `54 VAC, I found new /re-built starters at one place on line, but they want about what I payed for the tractor....
  16. Came home the other day and cut off bike. Wen to try and tart back up and nothing. All lights, radio and everything went out. Pushed it in. Cut switch back on and finally heard a constant ticking from the Starter relay beside the fuel filter. Replaced it with used one and now the starter solenoid is clicking constantly when I hit the start switch-no starter. Crossed the pos/neg on the solenoid and it sounds like bendix is coming out but no engagement. Has the starter gone out or is it something else?
  17. looking for starter for 89 vr any good places's to find one
  18. Ok, I have a problem. I go out today to go for a ride. Turn the ignition on, press the starter button, and nothing happens. The starter won't even click. When I rode last week, it was fine. I ended up working 70 hours this week and today was the first time i've been able to take it out. So, can someone tell me how to determine what the problem is. If it's the starter button itself or something between there and the starter. I thought the battery so I charged it up and still nothing. Thanks guys for the help.
  19. Attached are some pictures of the modification I made to the starter on my 83 1st gen. The purpose of this is to give a better path to ground for the brush plate. Stock version allows a path to ground through the tabs around the plate. Snaggletooth had posted about this mod several weeks ago, but I do not know of any pictures that are available to show it. Gary This shows the location of the drilled & tapped hole. I used a 4mm screw to attach wire with. Hole is at 2 o'clock position. This shows location of hole from outside of cover. The hole in the brush plate is shown at the 7 o'clock position. Picture of grounding wires. I used two 14 gauge wires. The terminals for 12 gauge and up had too large of a mounting lug for mounting screw size I wanted to use. Wires attached to end cover. Wires attached to brush plate. View of starter mounted on engine. I have since added an 8 gauge wire that runs from the bottom mounting bolt for the starter to the right side of the engine block. I attached wire to the block at the same point the main ground wire from the battery attaches.
  20. hi from sunny England just pull of starter clutch found crack so need new/second hand .MY GEAR has 76 theeth ?should it be 72 if so where did the76 come from many thanks [ time is not importance its the importance of time]dell the cockney from across the pond:doh:
  21. Hi I am going to look at an '87 Virago 1100, with 150kM / 93k miles, on Thurdsay evening. It sounds like a bargain, even despite its age, mileage and some mechanical issures. I just can't resist, even though I already have more bikes than I can afford to put on the road. I understand that the bike is aflicted with a starter problem common to the breed and that at present the starter does not engage at all. Also the bike has been in storage for a year or so and has no gas or oil in it at present. I am prepared for the fact that the bike needs some work but I would like to assure myself at the very least, that the engine is not siezed. What is the easiest way to do that at a pre sale inspection on someone elses turf when the starter is not available? http://i919.photobucket.com/albums/ad39/UxHamby/Virago1100/c1e731a4.jpg I am thinking that I could pull an engine cover to expose the end of the crank and then turn it with a socket wrench or I could get the bike rolling in an upper gear and pop the clutch and judge if it stops too quickly. Neither of these seem particularly doable away from home turf. If I put the bike on its centre stand, should I be able to turn the rear wheel by hand in an upper gear? Suggestions, advice, experience? Thanks, Brian H.
  22. Dan i have my local dealer ask me about your mod and says he has a lot of vmax owners asking about starter clutch upgrades. would it be ok to give him your contact info for these vmax owners. i didn't want to give the info until i asked you about it. And i will pm you when i get my flywheel off.
  23. Where is the best place to get a starter fo a 83 venture. I have a dead spot on my starter. Sometimes when i try to start my scoot the lights go dim.Try a few minitues later it will start. Plan on pulling out the starter and cleaning it. thanks. Doug
  24. A few weeks ago there was a thread running about brushes for the starters. I saw today there were a couple of listings for starter rebuild kits. This is a pretty good price for the kit seeing as how the brushes are a bit out of line from the dealers. Everything your need for a full rebuild. Just fyi. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Starter-KIT-Yamaha-M-C-XV12T-XVZ12T-Venture-XV12-XVZ12_W0QQitemZ290400764713QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotorcycles_Parts_Accessories?hash=item439d3c0329 Item # 290400764713
  25. Please help. I am completely stumped. There has got to be something that I am overlooking. Possible I have not been clear in relating the symptoms and thought if I reiterate them step by step fresh eyes might be able to catch something that I/we have over looked. Battery (Odysee PC680 replacement battery under warranty 4 months old) charged battery to fully charged acording to battery charger, on bench when charger was removed battery read 13.01 dcv by digital meter 12 hours later battery read 12.82 dcv 36 hrs later battery read 12.82 dcv 48 hrs later battery read 12.82 dcv reinstalled back into bike........@ 12.82 volt......... starter drags dragging starter quickly draws battery down to 12.4 to 12.6 volts put charger back on battery charger.... charger charges battery back up to 12.8 + volts within seconds less than one minute. Starter solenoid Battery hot at 12.82 dcv line side of solenoid 12.82 load side of solenoid with starter button pushed... 10.5 dcv to 11.00 dcv starter drags this would indicate high resistance across solenoid right But, with battery hot 12.82, using jumper cord from + battery terminal and checking dcv to opposite end of jumper cord shows 12.82.... touch opposite end of jumber cable directly to starter power lug...........starter drags Starter Powered starter on the bench.... it runs fine reinstalled on bike........ it drags Starter gears opened side covers gears look fine. remove starter gears...... starter clutch gear spins freely clockwise but, is stationary in counter clockwise direction. with the three smaller gears removed. hit start button with starter mounted but 3 gears removed starter runs fine put three gears back in an reset side cover........ starter drags with starter gears removed and rachett on flywheel bolt engine turns smoothly in both directions except for expected compression lobe of cylinders with spark plugs in. Meaning that engine turns easily but you can feel compression build and realease as valves open and close. All cables + and - have been upgraded and all connection points have been inspected, cleaned and checked. an additional ground from engine block to frame has been added. What am I missing? I am hoping fresh eyes on problem can ad some insight.
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