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    Quote Originally Posted by cowpuc View Post
    Actually Case,, I think those last two lines pretty much sum it all up perfectly from my perspective.. While I TOTALLY loved and miss those days of yesteryear when, on a moments notice, I could pop the hood on my old 351 Cleveland 4 speed fast back Macher, reach under my front seat and grab my Distributor wrench and advance the timing in her just to the point of spark knock to suck every ounce of horse power out of her cause one of my buddies wanted to race = "tweaking" was the name of the game!!
    While those days of Mallory ignitions, duel pumpin 4 barrels, cheater slicks on 10inch Cragars, traction bars, Hooker Headers and Sunoco 260 flowing from one of those pumps with the little twist dial selector was, without a doubt, AMAZING and fun,,,, it was also a ton of wrench spinning..
    Having gotten lazy in my old age AND having experienced the days you mention of modern machining and modern technology in computerized ignition and fuel control = I opt whole heartedly for your last two lines!!
    Actually,, HD had a pretty good thing going there with their Screaming Eagle tuners that recently got totally and completely outlawed.. Like you mentioned in those last two lines = those tuners gave the mechanic the chance to "tweak" both ignition and air/fuel mix to exact proportions with 200 RPM parameters = IMHO,, like jetting and setting points to perfection without getting dirty .. I LIKED that!! Like you,, my problem is when that same technology puts someone other than myself in control - thats where I too have a real problem.. That said,, I think just a simple falling back in time just a tad to lose "Big Brother" and not have our machines ratting us out in any way would be as far back as I think one should go..
    My machine = I own it = I decide how fast it goes = if it blows up its my fault = if it goes fast its cause I made it go fast - if I fall over on it no one knows unless I tell em I fell over and on and on.. You and I,, we still live in AMERICA where we really shouldnt even be having this discussion IMHO,, an individuals pursuit of happiness and all that.. Yea,, I am a hard core anti Big Brother no good rat thats for sure ,,, but I love to soooo much
    Puck my friend, you and I are going to have to eat some of my slow cooked ribs and ride the Black Hills at some point! Of course anyone reading is invited to come along. I find myself in such agreement which can only mean two things, were both intelligent and very correct, or were both nuttier than a Chinese chicken salad. Either way, what a good time!

    Quote Originally Posted by djh3 View Post
    The wifes 02 Durango and my 96 Ram 2500 have way to simple HVAC controls. A dial controls fan speed, and Durango has slides for heat/cool. To simple to operate I guess for malinials.
    The hell you say! Controls without bluetooth connectivity! Say it aint so bro!

    I would love to keep that simplicity and focus on increasing quality of materials used as time goes on, and less on flashy stuff that drives up the cost of manufacture. My Lexus is a 96 with 200k on the clock and has the simple controls, actually buttons and momentary rockers but simple, reliable, effective a d still work like new. Not much to go wrong. I wonder what the touch screen will look like in 20-30 years, will it fade, stop working, wash out? They can keep the touch screen and instead give me direct injection.

    Are you coming with Puck and his lovely lady for eats and a weekend ride in the hills?

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    I don't think we need to get distracted by your 2004 bowtie being more reliable than someone else 2005 blue oval or 2001 Male sheep. I have over 30 vehicles in the fleet several of the FORDS have well over 250K miles and so do several of the CHEVYS one has almost 350K miles. These are vehicles that are overloaded and driven by guys who don't own them or pay for the repairs. I've also got several NISSAN diesels approaching a half million miles, while the FREIGHTLINER lives in the repair shop.

    As far as ford and the "SOUND TUBE". Vehicle owners of both V8 cars and the turbo cars complained of not enough engine noise, IE the cars are too quiet and noise is part of feedback or road feel. The sound isn't over the speakers but rather a pipe that ducts under hood noise to the under dash area (first thing you remove when upgrading the super charger or turbos).

    I've had 1 touch climate control since 1987 is all my cars (FORDS) I've never been confused by the knobs dials sliders or button after the first couple days in the car.

    The 7" infotainment screen that i had retro fitted to my 96 Mark viii is as easy to ignore as anything else, it flashes and carries on every time a song changes on the radio and even plays the lyrics on some of them, i only use it in reverse.

    I believe all cars should have a permanently on radio receiver, that can over ride all the systems in the car so that COPS can tell you to get off the damn phone and pull over.
    Recent case of a women driving almost 7 miles thru town around various corners and intersections, being chased by police who were trying to let her know that the child in the back seat had gotten out of the seat belt, and was lying on the rear shelf. Her excuse for not pulling over!! Talking to her new boyfriend .

    Good and careful drivers like us will adapt to the ever changing vehicle layout (its been years since I've gotten my foot caught in the steering wheel trying to turn down the hi beams) While the're will be people who will be unable to handle autonomous vehicle and somehow still mange to crash!

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    I like tech but to me a vehicle needs to have some degree of performance, reliability, comfort, and quality of finish. The rest is "add-ons" and gizmos.

    I work for Toyota and until recently had a Toyota Corolla (2013), Honda Civic (2009), and Ford Mustang (2007).

    Can't beat the power of a V8 under the hood and having the sound "piped" into the passenger compartment suited the car. To hear the roar of the 305hp Ford engine reminded you of the power of the motor, and with a stick shift you could drive by ear listening to the sound rather than watching a tach. (Funny though....my 2009 RSV had the same shift points as far as when to shift based on speed). Comfort...with a sporty car comfort is relative to the type of car you drive. Not as comfortable as a luxury car....but the seats held you in place. Quality and quality of finish was "North American". Plastic dash, lines not "perfect". My brother-in-law worked for Ford warranty a few years ago and said that based on claims the 2007 was a "good" year.

    With the Corolla I don't like the "drive-by-wire" of the steering - constantly correcting it. Give it gas and you wait, give it more gas, wait, more gas....and the overdrive kicks in. Quality of the car and quality of finish is typical Japanese (or Korean like Hyundai). The standard process, quality control of Toyota can't be beat. Reliability has been great. Previous 2000 Camry I had easily did over 340,000 km.

    The Civic...they still don't know how to paint a car black. Clear coat cracked on fender and trunk lid. Common issue with Honda paint. Door locks have a poor design and common to replace them (especially drivers door). PITA to repair/replace them. Starter is a common issue - just replaced mine with a remanufactured one and 2 hours labour over $700 including tax. Design/location of the starter requires a lift and dropping exhaust to get at. Reminds me of how GM undersized alternators for years !

    Have a friend looking at SUV's. Went with her to several dealers - Nissan, GM, Toyota, Hyundai. Nissan was really nice (although someone told me they paint areas you can see but areas like inner fenders don't get painted. GM the door trim was off by at least 1/4" front/back door (sign of quality of the rest of the vehicle). Toyota and Hyundai were equivalent in quality.

    As for gadgets...keep in mind that (at one time) you had to take your vehicle in to the dealer to get GPS maps updated...and billed for it. And the old saying goes, the more gadgets the more to go wrong. Look at refrigerators with ice makers...even new ones break frequently even though they've had ice makers for years.
    Don

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midrsv View Post
    I tend to disagree with most of you regarding GM. I've owned their large SUVs since 1999. A 99 Yukon, 2003 Tahoe, 2009 Tahoe and now a 2016 Yukon Denali. I put 100,000 miles each of the ones I traded in. I've only experienced a failed wheel bearing on the 2009 Tahoe and a failed AC compressor on the 2003. I hear people say that they are "old" designs. I disagree. There were improvements with each. Prior to buying my current truck, I looked at BMW X5, the Audi Q7 and the Mercedes GL350. In my research did not find that any of those 3 were more reliable than what I had experienced with GM. The BMW and Audi lacked the tow size and tow capacity that i needed. I really did like the Mercedes with a diesel. I talked with a number of owners and just felt I didn't want to risk the repair costs on the Mercedes once out of warranty. I was told by several owners not to own one without a warranty. So I went back to GM. The Denali pulls like a beast with the 6.2L with direct injection, 8 spd transmission and all of the electronic bells and whistles. I make at least 3 round trips to FL each year and tow a 6000 lb trailer. I get 23 mpg at 75mph on the trips without the trailer. I've got an Infiniti Q60 that barely does that. Speaking of the technology. I like it. I have GPS, bluetooth, iphone integration, etc. At first glance it does look intimidating. However, once you get used to it, 90% of the features can be controlled from the steering wheel without removing your hands from the wheel. I set the climate control to the desired temperature and don't touch it from there. If I need to put a destination into my GPS I just go the iPhone app and before I leave the house and send the destinatioin to the in-dash gps. I don't have to futz with it after I'm underway. Integrated in to all of the electronics are additional safety features. Like blind spot monitoring, lane assist that will nudge the wheel a bit if you start to drift out of your lane, warnings if the car in front of you stops or slows too quickly, rain sensing wipers, automatic high beams. When one compares the progression of features on the new Yukon to the old 1999, I don't see how one could say the design is old. The climate and infotainment systems in the German cars were even more confusing at first glance. I am sure with use they could become more user friendly.

    Now to the original question regarding GM adding tools to order my next cheeseburger, nah, I don't need that. I've got an iPhone to take care of that.

    Dennis
    Dennis,

    Thank you thank you thank you, for your well thought out description of today's automobile. Everything you described I have and use the same way in my Crew Cab F150. And......I LOVE IT!! The technological features in today's vehicles are nothing short of amazing, and wonderful to use IF, and this is a big IF, you open your mind to the possibility of learning and using them. That is really the main issue at hand here; Old folks get stuck in their ways and don't like change and learn new things and ways of doing things. I am no different than that in a lot of areas of my life. However, I live in my vehicle 12 hours a day. I am a sales rep, so my truck is my office, and I have completely enjoyed most of the new technological advances we've seen in vehicles in the past decade or so. I get it, there are some things that I too believe were better back in the day, but overall quality of vehicles are unquestionably at an all time high.

    I'm not young. I'm 55 years old. I remember all of the stuff some have described here, with setting my own points and timing, and wrenching on my rig a lot, etc. But, I am truly amazed at what automobiles have become. Now, if GM wants market food searches and such on their infotainment systems, and make a profit while doing it, heck, let em try it. I won't ever use the feature, I use my phone for that.

    I'm not gonna get into a big discussion about brands and such. I have owned several, including 2 different BMW's as mentioned in other posts. To each his own on what he wants to drive. Do I believe some brands are better quality than others, sure, maybe, but I have also accomplished high mileage in models (Ford Taurus 318,000 miles, Chevy Impala 327,000 miles) that are commonly considered not quite as good as others, and I've had a model (Toyota Camry) that experience a catastrophic transmission failure at 54,000 miles).

    Just my 2 cents worth.

    Big Lenny

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    Quote Originally Posted by XV1100SE View Post
    I like tech but to me a vehicle needs to have some degree of performance, reliability, comfort, and quality of finish. The rest is "add-ons" and gizmos.

    I work for Toyota and until recently had a Toyota Corolla (2013), Honda Civic (2009), and Ford Mustang (2007).

    Can't beat the power of a V8 under the hood and having the sound "piped" into the passenger compartment suited the car. To hear the roar of the 305hp Ford engine reminded you of the power of the motor, and with a stick shift you could drive by ear listening to the sound rather than watching a tach. (Funny though....my 2009 RSV had the same shift points as far as when to shift based on speed). Comfort...with a sporty car comfort is relative to the type of car you drive. Not as comfortable as a luxury car....but the seats held you in place. Quality and quality of finish was "North American". Plastic dash, lines not "perfect". My brother-in-law worked for Ford warranty a few years ago and said that based on claims the 2007 was a "good" year.

    With the Corolla I don't like the "drive-by-wire" of the steering - constantly correcting it. Give it gas and you wait, give it more gas, wait, more gas....and the overdrive kicks in. Quality of the car and quality of finish is typical Japanese (or Korean like Hyundai). The standard process, quality control of Toyota can't be beat. Reliability has been great. Previous 2000 Camry I had easily did over 340,000 km.

    The Civic...they still don't know how to paint a car black. Clear coat cracked on fender and trunk lid. Common issue with Honda paint. Door locks have a poor design and common to replace them (especially drivers door). PITA to repair/replace them. Starter is a common issue - just replaced mine with a remanufactured one and 2 hours labour over $700 including tax. Design/location of the starter requires a lift and dropping exhaust to get at. Reminds me of how GM undersized alternators for years !

    Have a friend looking at SUV's. Went with her to several dealers - Nissan, GM, Toyota, Hyundai. Nissan was really nice (although someone told me they paint areas you can see but areas like inner fenders don't get painted. GM the door trim was off by at least 1/4" front/back door (sign of quality of the rest of the vehicle). Toyota and Hyundai were equivalent in quality.

    As for gadgets...keep in mind that (at one time) you had to take your vehicle in to the dealer to get GPS maps updated...and billed for it. And the old saying goes, the more gadgets the more to go wrong. Look at refrigerators with ice makers...even new ones break frequently even though they've had ice makers for years.
    I had no idea Hyundai/Kia were comparable to Toyota and Honda. I knew they were catching up. I have massive respect for Toyota, cemented by how well the LS400 is put together. Its almost like an S class except everything works and nothing ever breaks. I have full service history and I cant find one single instance of unscheduled service. I had to do the PS pump, it had a slight groan at 188k. Its evident how much R&D Toyota did on this car, being the first Lexus model introduced to the public. It really shows what a car mfr can do when they really strive to make the best car humanly possible. At 200k it runs and drives like a new car and I really have to wrestle the keys away from wifey. The moment I came home with the Audi she snatched up my lexus. She was forced out of it today by 6" of fresh snow (RWD) and back into her Acura. It often gets comments from passangers about how eerily quiet and well composed it is.

    I know just about any vehicle made in the last 10 yrs should last 100k miles and double that with proper maintainance and no abuse. Just as you helped someone shop for cars you were able to see which mfrs really had their hearts into making an excellent car and which others are trying to gain appeal with flashy features. How a car brakes, turns, glides and just feels in your hands is something hard to quantify but its palpable and more important than any feature list. Also does it still feel that way after a quarter million miles.

    Im really glad so many are having great luck with the domestics, we absolutly adore the F150s in the family and at work, they outlasted all the other domestics 2:1. But I must say this, if everything were designed and built like Toyota/Lexus auto technicians would be only marginally more in demand than Telegraphists.

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    I have chevy tahoe pretty simple no on star but an anoying problem with the radio due to my stereo being after market... I ever tell you all I LOVE AND MISS MY FORDS!!!

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    I used to love the nissans and other Japenese vehicles, then all the sudden they started crammng everything in very small spaces where you had to remove wheels and axles, gm started doing this anyone ever change a battery in a 2000 lumina.... or try to change headlight bulb on a HHR? Tarded to say the least. Did I say I miss my fords I can sit under the hood and change out the spark plugs without gadgets... I like FORDS!!! 90 or older....

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    Quote Originally Posted by snyper316 View Post
    I used to love the nissans and other Japenese vehicles, then all the sudden they started crammng everything in very small spaces where you had to remove wheels and axles, gm started doing this anyone ever change a battery in a 2000 lumina.... or try to change headlight bulb on a HHR? Tarded to say the least. Did I say I miss my fords I can sit under the hood and change out the spark plugs without gadgets... I like FORDS!!! 90 or older....
    I love me a Nissan old enough to be called a Datsun. Whats cooler than a 240z or a roadster? So simple that cruise or AC was as unlikely as power windows or locks, much less a touchscreen.

    If discussing the advantages of simplicity we have to at least give mention to the simplest car since rims were no longer wood, the least powerful car that was fun to drive, a car with unparalleled versatility and durability (barring collision), can go virtually anywhere you point it and catch air many many times before breaking. A car than can be serviced with a rusty pliar and dull screwdriver in the middle of the night, in the middle of the woods. Yup, I'm quite sure. The VW Type I. 19+ million units produced over 60+ years, had/built several Baja bugs over the years.

    There is no touch screen but you do get the following standard;
    Fuel gauge controlled by a cable and manual sending unit.
    Windshield washer that relies on pressure from the spare tire. Never a clean windshield or inflated spare.
    Heater boxes and a doghouse fan charged with both cooling engine and heating the interior, sort of.
    1641cc air cooled flat four weighing 240 lbs and 40hp before the goodies. (009, Webber, Tri-mil stinger)
    Thats it, its all thats needed. Dr. Ferdinand Porsche knew what needed to be done. Genius

    What I dont get about e-commerce is if I wanted a coffee from Charbucks and used the screen to order wouldn't I still have to go get it and wait in line to overpay for a virtually undrinkable cappuccino? Is this going to save something or just add another step? If a barista is going to run it up to my window while I'm waiting for the green arrow in the intersection then I'll reconsider this. Im sure more will be revealed in time, I wonder how intrusive it will be or if using PayPal on my dash will be less of a hassle than just paying at the window.

    If anyone here has a vehicle with this can we please get some commentary on initial setup, level of intrusiveness, opt-outs, pay and order functions, and how exactly you first got it or noticed it.

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    and I cant help but wonder if anyone remembers those AWESOME J.C. Higgins,,,, I mean Witney,,, catalogs with a complete section of nothing but Bug Parts?? SOOO COOL!! You could completely rebuild a Dub with new crank, jugs, pistons, heads, push rods = give me the works partner - for under 200 bucks
    Man those were the days!!
    Talk about a RIOT in the woods and endlessly fun for doing circles in a parking lot to get er up on 2 wheels and see how far you could drive it like that.. Never in motoring history has 40 horse produced so much fun (car wise - bike wise a little 18 horse, tank shifting HD beats it). They were amazinly durable too for an air cooled, rear engined bugster.. I beat a 64 to death and, even with its crankshaft having so much end play that when I opened the hood cause I heard a scraping noise and had snow flakes of aluminum flcwing all over as the crank pulley ground into the motor, she kept right on running like a top!!
    I must have been a people back in my youth cause that little peoples car was my kind of fun - meep meep !!
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    JD Power 2017 Initial Quality Ratings and Awards - http://www.jdpower.com/cars/awards/I...egment/2410ENG
    Top SUV - Kia Sorento
    Small SUV - Kia Niro
    Compact Car - Kia Forte
    Small Preimium Car - BMW 2 Series
    Midsize Premium Car - Lexus GS
    Compact Premium Car - BMW 4 Series
    Midsize Car - Toyota Camry
    Large SUV - Ford Expedition
    Midsize Sporty Car - Ford Mustang

    (BTW....Kia is owned by Hyundai)

    Quality by Make - http://www.jdpower.com/ratings/study...y-Make/2430ENG
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    Quote Originally Posted by XV1100SE View Post
    JD Power 2017 Initial Quality Ratings and Awards - http://www.jdpower.com/cars/awards/I...egment/2410ENG
    Top SUV - Kia Sorento
    Small SUV - Kia Niro
    Compact Car - Kia Forte
    Small Preimium Car - BMW 2 Series
    Midsize Premium Car - Lexus GS
    Compact Premium Car - BMW 4 Series
    Midsize Car - Toyota Camry
    Large SUV - Ford Expedition
    Midsize Sporty Car - Ford Mustang

    (BTW....Kia is owned by Hyundai)

    Quality by Make - http://www.jdpower.com/ratings/study...y-Make/2430ENG
    I have to laff at the JD power awards anymore. There are so many classes now due to GM using $$$$ that the wards are meaningless.
    Watch a Bowtie comercial for a truck sometime then pause it and read the fine print.
    best in class horse power? fine print truck rated at 2000lbs or less using a 6 cylinder engine with automatic transmission of less than 5 forward speeds. guess what the colorado is the only truck in that class!! Ford and Dodge both have 6 speeds! easy to win HMMM.

    GM is not the only one to play that game the Chrysler 200 won dozens of awards for innovation and quality and is now on the do not buy list with several used car rating sites!

    Initial quality survey of new car buyers having never bought that brand before, taken within 90 days of purchase.

    I'd like real surveys, say 13 months into the "new" car, Id be willing to bet the numbers would change dramatically.

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    Quote Originally Posted by baylensman View Post
    I'd like real surveys, say 13 months into the "new" car, Id be willing to bet the numbers would change dramatically.
    Yes, it is funny. You see magazines rave about new models when first released and then after a year they show up on Consumer Reports or other sites as "do not buy".
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    Quote Originally Posted by baylensman View Post
    I have to laff at the JD power awards anymore. There are so many classes now due to GM using $$$$ that the wards are meaningless.
    Watch a Bowtie comercial for a truck sometime then pause it and read the fine print.
    best in class horse power? fine print truck rated at 2000lbs or less using a 6 cylinder engine with automatic transmission of less than 5 forward speeds. guess what the colorado is the only truck in that class!! Ford and Dodge both have 6 speeds! easy to win HMMM.

    GM is not the only one to play that game the Chrysler 200 won dozens of awards for innovation and quality and is now on the do not buy list with several used car rating sites!

    Initial quality survey of new car buyers having never bought that brand before, taken within 90 days of purchase.

    I'd like real surveys, say 13 months into the "new" car, Id be willing to bet the numbers would change dramatically.
    Quote Originally Posted by XV1100SE View Post
    Yes, it is funny. You see magazines rave about new models when first released and then after a year they show up on Consumer Reports or other sites as "do not buy".
    I agree that JD should be taken with a grain of Na. I respect Consmer Reports as being about as unbiased as one can get. Im not currently paying but I tried to get a worst and best article here
    https://www.cheatsheet.com/money-car...tml/?a=viewall
    https://www.cheatsheet.com/money-car...tml/?a=viewall

    I was surprised to see Audi on most reliabe top 10, even more shocked to see Buick there, it really raises questions but its an indicator.

    I know German cars are usually regarded as unreliable, and that is not without merit, but a note on that. The reason so many 10-20 yr old German cars are out of sorts is lack of maintainance. They are expensive to maintain and when steps are skipped things go wrong. It was pleasing to see Germans hit the best list too. These are for 2018 and real.world reliability doesnt really show up until a car turns 10 and we can see how it worked over time. I suspect the vast majority of these have some form of touch screen with varying levels of function. I wonder which, if any, can have their contents or function altered without the mfr actually getting their hands physically on the car. It looks like GMs Onstar allows exactly that. I suspect im not the only one that finds that alarming, what other mfrs have set themselves up with this ability?

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    I think also that "reliability" is one of those things that varies with one's expectations. Growing up I had a close friend who bought brand new a Subaru back in the early 80's. He wanted 4 wheel drive and didn't want to pay Jeep prices. Well his car was amazing to him. Scheduled service was remove valve cover and reset valves every 6000 mile or 10000 Kilometers. Remove head and replace gasket at every 40000 miles. Mandatory dealer serve every 10k miles where various bits and pieces were retorqued re lubed re placed as needed with a bill to match. His wife had a 1972-ish dodge with a slant six. that had never been serviced and he occasionally would change the oil if he found a deal (once a year or so) he ended up replacing the water pump at 110000 miles, and complained that the car was unreliable. I've seen similar attitudes to people who buy Hondas Lots of maintenance and by the book oil changes and back to the dealer for every squeak rattle or flutter, and pay for the privilege, all the while touting the amazing reliability!! However, the same people would complain about the second family car often bought used or handed down from the primary driver having well over 100K miles being faulty or junk because of the occasional alternator or power steering pump issue costing $125.00 installed. But on the Honda $700 for a pump at 98K miles was expected or routine.

    For a laugh go to a site like EDMUNDS and read the customer reviews of a nissan 350 convertible or even a Benz from the mid 80's expensive and castrophic failures are common place, but the cars are ranked higher in satisfaction than a Camaro or Mustang convertible because of fit and finish!!

    Me I keep my 21 year old detroit iron for a bit longer, and ride the bike every day there's no hurricane ( well i have ridden during a hurricane, whole nuther story)

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    What worries me with all this new computer intrusion into cars is the potential for hacking.
    All brands have something similar to On Star where the car can be accessed remotely.
    But now that cars have a fly by wire throttle, brakes, steering, and most all of the controls in the car, what is the possibility that it is not far off where hackers will create a car virus that when the car hits 60 mph the throttle goes wide open and the steering turns hard left and the brakes, shifter and power switch are disabled?
    ANY system that can be accessed, can be hacked.
    Hackers can and have already unlocked the doors and started the engine.

    Even though my truck is still fairly new (by my standards, its a 2011) I am thinking of getting a new one that does not yet have the ability for the computer to turn the steering wheel for me. The idea that the computer might think it knows better than me how to handle an approaching emergency absolutely terrifies me. The ditch, or moving into the oncoming lane might just be a much better option than what is coming at me head on with a closing speed of 120 MPH.

    I do know how to parallel park, I do not need the car to do it for me, I can also back up a trailer just fine all by myself.

    On the other hand I do like my creature comforts, I like my power seats windows and locks. Cruise control and the new radar cruise that can slow me down to match the speed of the car in front of me, I do have a size 14 foot that is made of lead.........a nice sound system is a must.

    It really irks me that the way some of these new features like automatic braking or lane assist are advertised to be able to save you wile you are doing something OTHER than driving the car. I only see these things as making people feel safe to be not paying attention and is in the not to distant future are going to get people killed.
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