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    Default 1st Gen LED Headlight

    Old. I really don't like that word. But that's how I feel today.

    I got my LED bulbs in today....these....

    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

    Since the 2nd Gen is up in Phoenix and I'm home with the 1st Gen, thought I would see how involved it is to put one of the LEDs in the 89. Easy peasy...everything fit perfectly....except the RLU gets in the way. Only high beam! That's when I remembered....oh yea....I have to modify the RLU. Old. What memory.....?

    BTW, the light was really bright!
    Grins...

    When I get ambitious, I'll make the mod and put the LED in. But not today.
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    Default Re: 1st Gen LED Headlight

    Yup, remove and jumper the RLU, You may have to jumper the 2 headlight circuits in the CMU if the LED does not pull enough amps to turn off the warning light. If the LED bulb does not have a battery direct feed wire you may not have to remove the RLU. I am guessing that it is real close to pulling enough power to let the RLU still do its thing, since you said the RLU is OK on HI beam.
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    Default Re: 1st Gen LED Headlight

    Link to this fix? Might need to do this soon

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    Default Re: 1st Gen LED Headlight

    There is another link out there with just cutting off the connector from the RLU and soldering some of the wires together and that will get rid of the headlight warning light also. I did that to mine when I added my LED headlight and that did the trick of killing the warning light. Check post #17 is this thread.. http://www.venturerider.org/forum/sh...+lighting+unit

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    Default Re: 1st Gen LED Headlight

    Quote Originally Posted by cimmer View Post
    There is another link out there with just cutting off the connector from the RLU and soldering some of the wires together and that will get rid of the headlight warning light also. I did that to mine when I added my LED headlight and that did the trick of killing the warning light. Check post #17 is this thread.. http://www.venturerider.org/forum/sh...+lighting+unit

    Rick F.
    Rather than cutting off the RLU connector and then soldering wires together, it is way easier to just poke some jumper wires into the appropriate slots. I did this on my 90 VR. There is a thread that explains which wires need to be connected but so far I have not been able to find it.
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    Default Re: 1st Gen LED Headlight

    Another day....89 VR Led install. Modifying the RLU

    Taking Clive's advice I searched and found two different threads concerning jumpering the RLU connector.
    AND to make it more fun, the wires to be jumpered are different in the threads!

    So...member 1 used this configuration:

    1: Blue/white to blue/black
    2: Black to yellow
    3: yellow/green to red/yellow

    Member 2 did it this way...

    1: Green/White to Blue/Black to Blue/white
    2: Yellow/green to Blue/red
    3: Black to light/green

    I opted for member #2 's wiring. Didn't work. no head light. (still has normal bulb in at this point)
    As well as....no Green/White wire on connector...either end. ???


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    I chose #2 because I thought his bike was newer...not an older 1st gen.

    So camos or anyone with a MK2 1st Gen that did this mod....can you confirm which is the proper wires to jumper on the RLU?
    Thanks!
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    Default Re: 1st Gen LED Headlight

    Looking over my RLU wires, I think the Green/White should be the Green/Red. My RLU doesn't have the G/W in its wiring harness but it does have a G/R. My high beams indicator does function properly and I dont have any alarms showing on the computer panel either. Also looking closing at the picture in post #1 of this tread, http://www.venturerider.org/forum/sh...+lighting+unit , you can tell he actually used the Green/Red. Try that and see if that makes a difference for you.
    So connect the wires like this:

    Tie Green/Red + Blue/Black + Blue/White together.

    Tie Yellow/Green + Blue/Red together

    Tie Black + Light Green together

    Hope that helps.
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    Default Re: 1st Gen LED Headlight

    Thanks Rick. Will give it a try tomorrow afternoon...
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    Default Re: 1st Gen LED Headlight

    cimmer had it right! LED works and high/low beam works too.

    Later today I'll post pics of jumpers and left over parts...then move on to the CMS. Next step is to jumper it as well. Might just do all the jumpers so I can change all light to LEDs at my leisure without taking the dash apart again!
    Do hate to lose the light bulb out functions, but life goes on.

    Thanks for the confirmation on the jumpers Rick...
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    Default RLU Connector Jumpers

    Quote Originally Posted by videoarizona View Post

    So camos or anyone with a MK2 1st Gen that did this mod....can you confirm which is the proper wires to jumper on the RLU?
    Thanks!
    Here is a pic of the connector jumpers on my 90 VR. Got camera problems so it's kind of crappy. Hopefully the white wires can be seen against the white plug.

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    It looks to me that one of your jumpers is not going into the right hole.

    On second thought, after rotating the images so they have the same orientation, it looks like yours is the same as mine. Any chance one of your wires is not making a good connection in the plug?
    Cheers, Clive

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    Done!

    Lots of fun getting the dash out. Actually only 2 bolts hold it in place...if you elect to take the little frame out with it. Otherwise it's 4 bolts that are a bear to get to.

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    Recap...above pic shows the almost right connections on the RLU. Instead, as Rick mentioned, I needed to add one more jumper...4 total.

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    See jumpers in above pic. This worked with my 89. High/low beam works, high beam light on dash works.
    Disregard where I'm pointing....those are the wrong bolts to take out. I don't have a pic of the 2 bolts that will lift up the entire assembly....except I'm holding onto the assembly here...

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    Below my finger, on each side, are two holes...those are the 2 bolts to take the entire assembly out. In order to reach them, I had to loosen both top fairings so I could spread the tops enough to get my hands in there....and yes KIC, that rachet wrench helped alot! The only issue I had getting bike back together was the nut for the speedo cable dropped down...so had to fish that back up through the lowers and wires. Next two pics show the front end apart.

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    The speedo cable on the left(above) is pointing to one of the 2 holes that I took the bolts out of to remove the cluster and it's small frame.


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    I soldered the jumpers to the CMS so now all my lights can be changed to LED bulbs. Sad to lose the functionality of the warnings that Yamaha put in there. But ...

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    But the above pic helped a lot.

    I closed her back up but had two screws left over. I think they went to shroud around the instrument cluster, but the 2 screws were still in the side of the cluster as the shroud simply lifts off them. So who knows??? I'm not taking her apart to find out!

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    Basically: The front trim comes off, windshield off. take off the CLASS panel and move out of way, pull the radio panel. Undo the screws holding the top panels in place. Spread the panels. Take off the shroud by loosening the two brass looking screws on either side of the cluster. Reach in a carefully take out the 2 bolts holding the entire assembly to the frame. Lift a touch and disconnect the wire plugs going to the cluster. Remove cluster.

    Take cluster apart by removing the 3 screws holding together, lift off the top part of the CMS be removing 1 screw holding the two halves of the board together. Solder the jumpers after carefully making sure you have the right points on the board. Use a sharp pointed soldering pencil as the clearance between some of the points on the board are tight!

    Put all back together.

    Done. Tonight after pizza with friends, I'll go for a ride and test out the light as well as take time to aim...


    UPDATE: Light is much better than stock. Pattern is nice. The lens doesn't seem to hurt the LED at all. I'm good with this. For under $60...got two bulbs and installed them in each Venture. Plus, saved a couple of amps too.
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    Default Re: 1st Gen LED Headlight

    So how did the night ride go ?
    I know the voices aren't real... But they do have some really great ideas !

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    Default Re: 1st Gen LED Headlight

    Quote Originally Posted by KIC View Post
    So how did the night ride go ?
    Excellent! All dialed in. Nice pattern. I really like the wide pattern on low beam. Even if I adjust the led down more than normal, the high beam takes up the slack with a nice long throw.

    I think Broview did a very good job engineering these bulbs.
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    Default Re: 1st Gen LED Headlight

    Quote Originally Posted by videoarizona View Post
    I got my LED bulbs in today....these....

    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

    Easy peasy...everything fit perfectly....except the RLU gets in the way. Only high beam! That's when I remembered....oh yea....I have to modify the RLU. Old. What memory.....?

    When I get ambitious, I'll make the mod and put the LED in. But not today.
    That's interesting. I got these "Dazzlers" and installed one in my 1993 tonight. It gives me a headlight out warning but Low/High selection is fine, so I 'spose the RLU won't need to be jumpered for me. It says they consume 30W each. I was wondering exactly how high the amp draw needs to be to act like incandescent H4s. Low beam on some is 45W. Dirty contacts would raise resistance and drop current without causing full failure, or would dirty contacts act like a dielectric? So 45W is 3.75 amps and 30W is 2.5 amps and the difference is 1.25 amps. It's too late now but I don't understand why the current threshold wasn't just an amp. What failure mode (dirty contacts?) did Yamaha hope to detect with a higher cut-off?

    BTW, these things seem too bright really. I know I'm going to get some reactions from other drivers.

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