Dark Side Forum

[MAINEAC]

As a member of the new Dark Side VR Group I would like to see a Forum or Topic that we could exchange ideas and experiences. I think it should be open to all who are interested as some VRs go forward with their Mods. I think it should go in the Tech Talk Category.. I think the sharing of experiences will make this a safer proposition for all that are willing to try this Mod.

Thanks,

[dharnie]

Got my vote :>):)

[OB-1]

Got my vote too!:080402gudl_prv:

[jrcain32]

I guess I missed the thread about the dark side mod.:cool: What is it:icon_smile_question

[OB-1]

I guess I missed the thread about the dark side mod.:cool: What is it:icon_smile_question

Using a car tire on the rear instead of a motorcycle tire.

[jrcain32]

That's what I was thinking but I was not sure. Why would you want to do that? What are the pros and cons?

[OB-1]

That's what I was thinking but I was not sure. Why would you want to do that? What are the pros and cons?

Skim through this thread and you'll answer your questions and probably come up with more: http://venturerider.org/forum/showthread.php?p=213550#post213550

Disregard the personal sniping when reading the referenced thread...some people occasionally get a bit carried away.:no-no-no:

[Maritimer]

Please do start this new section. I am also going to the dark side when I replace this rear tire.

[wizard]

I think it could be a good idea for those interested in a car tire.

[ctraylor]

This may have been asked before but is there a ct to fit the back of the first gen?

[MAINEAC]

What's the stock size for a 1st gen?

[flb_78]

This may have been asked before but is there a ct to fit the back of the first gen?

I have not been able to locate one that will fit. The 16 inch rim is just too skinny.

[flb_78]

I would be for the new section, but it won't do any good because unless one of us "darksiders" could moderate it, it will be filled with posts from folks saying it's dangerous and stupid, insurance won't cover you, tire manufacturers won't support you and all the same crap that is spewed in this thread and no one will delete the posts to find the actual "tech" content.

[wizard]

Exactly why I said it "could" be a good idea...

[kevin-vic-b.c.]

Is it leagal in your area to install a car tire on a bike? In this part of Canada it is not. Our local PDs' and the RCMP are stopping and checking most all bikes to check for proper drivers permits and bike alterations and the tires are noted in the memo I saw.....

Recently myself and 536 other riders did a little ride to raise money for Prostate Cancer...... I have tried to attach a link to some of the pictures..... hope it works.

Victoria is realy a small city of a little around 400,000 so to have this many bikes in one place was HUGE. The organizers expected around 250 to join the ride..... Local PD blocked all traffic through our main streets to let us parade..... then we went on a 215km (133 mile) poker run.
http://www.motorcycleridefordad.org/vis/content.php?doc=534

ride on.....

[MAINEAC]

Well so far the only negative post to this thread is yours flb... So just chill and maybe they won't show up here. Posts like that is just fueling the fire... We've all seen those posts you're talking about but we don't need to rehash it here.

[MAINEAC]

Is it leagal in your area to install a car tire on a bike? In this part of Canada it is not. Our local PDs' and the RCMP are stopping and checking most all bikes to check for proper drivers permits and bike alterations and the tires are noted in the memo I saw..... .....


Sounds like your Dudley Dorights have too much free time on their hands. 5-0 down here might spot a bald tire but for the most part have bigger fish to fry Like real crime... except for some Communist States... I don't want to mention any names but it rhymes with New Pork...

[flb_78]

I would be for the new section,

:080402gudl_prv:

[Jerry W]

I don't have a car tire on my RSV, but would like to see the dark side forum where I could read about the pros and cons of using the car tire without the flaming from self appointed experts of all things telling anyone who doesn't agree with their arm chair documentation how stupid they are. I prefer to see posts from those who speak from experience of actually riding. Or, cons which can be posted in a respectful manner. Opinions are like some other things, we all have one.

[flb_78]

I don't have a car tire on my RSV, but would like to see the dark side forum where I could read about the pros and cons of using the car tire without the flaming from self appointed experts of all things telling anyone who doesn't agree with their arm chair documentation how stupid they are. I prefer to see posts from those who speak from experience of actually riding. Or, cons which can be posted in a respectful manner. Opinions are like some other things, we all have one.

We really need to ride together again now that the weather is cooperating and you'll be able to see how well the car tire does work with your own 2 eyes and then give an unbiased opinion on it after seeing the performance.

[Jerry W]

Yes, we do. I am not thinking the 50 mph winds this weekend make riding much fun and I am tied up next weekend. Maybe we could get together on the 21st or 22nd. That might be a good time to gather up and use the carbtune on anyones bike that is interested and then get in a ride.

[MAINEAC]

You TX guys know about the Southern Maintainance day at Gigawhiskey's North of Dallas? I'm workin down there for a few weeks and will try to make it.

http://www.venturerider.org/forum/showthread.php?t=21984

[Maritimer]

Since we don't have a "Dark Side" section yet I will post here.

Is there anyone who ever tried a CT who decided to never go back for what ever reason?

[Jerry W]

You TX guys know about the Southern Maintainance day at Gigawhiskey's North of Dallas? I'm workin down there for a few weeks and will try to make it.

http://www.venturerider.org/forum/showthread.php?t=21984


Yeah, I was hoping to make it but it doesn't look like it is going to happen. However, I appreciate the reminder. I wasn't thinking about GW's maintenance day when I mentioned a day for doing some carbtuning. I will move it to another day, thanks for the reminder.

[endo]

Since we don't have a "Dark Side" section yet I will post here.

Is there anyone who ever tried a CT who decided to never go back for what ever reason?

I lived in Connecticut back in the '70s, and I've decided I'm never going back. Taxes, old girlfriend, and a few other good reasons.

(I couldn't help :rotf:)

[stardbog]

My Vote too for " Dark Side" forum.
Many of Gold Wing and Valkyrie Riders from My Cruiser Group have installed Car Tire on their bikes, and those guys have some sirious miles behind'em. As well Stratoliner riders have installed car tire on their bikes with no isue. I Personaly lean to CT when is time come to do a rear tire.
That's going to be interesting discusion, and people are split on safety, and $$$ isue, But thats what is forum about. If somebody disagree She / he is welcome to ignore that tread, and let whoever like to do that discus their expirence. Just my 2c.

[GeorgeS]

Now if a guy had a " Harley Springer ' model. Car tire would look real Original on one of those.

My Brother In Law has an 03 Springer, all black, he is in process of modifying as much as possible to duplicate a 1939 model.

I'll have to mention to him, that a car Tire, would make it look " Older "

As I recall, my old 47 Harley, the tire did look like a car tire.

[Jerry W]

My Vote too for " Dark Side" forum.
Many of Gold Wing and Valkyrie Riders from My Cruiser Group have installed Car Tire on their bikes, and those guys have some sirious miles behind'em. As well Stratoliner riders have installed car tire on their bikes with no isue. I Personaly lean to CT when is time come to do a rear tire.
That's going to be interesting discusion, and people are split on safety, and $$$ isue, But thats what is forum about. If somebody disagree She / he is welcome to ignore that tread, and let whoever like to do that discus their expirence. Just my 2c.

There ya' go. I am interested in personal experiences of riding on a CT. My personal feeling is that if you can't afford a good set of tires on a bike, park it until you can. That being said, I also want the best for my money. So far, I have heard of no negative experiences from anyone who had actually ridden with a CT on their bike and there are folks on here (flb) that I know for a fact ride with great vigor. My present Avon's only have about 5,000 miles on them, but I may very well go to a CT on the rear when it is time.

My thanks to those who are willing to be test pilots for the rest of us. I appreciate your posts.

[MAINEAC]

OK this request has been ignored for 21 days now.. No yes-no-maybe.. nuthin

Pegscraper asks for bigger smiley faces and it's a done deal in 39 minutes.

You know having a Dark Side forum doesn't mean anyone or this site endorses using a CT on a bike. Any reasonable person would agree that discussion of this would educate anyone thinking of trying like myself as soon as I get home. A lot of it is uncharted territory with RSVs and a place to discuss pros and cons would be a big help.

I waited to post anything because of maintainance day and all that and I chose to post it here instead of a PM because this affects more than just me.

what'ya say Don?

[MAINEAC]

Holy disapearing posts Batman!!!

Hey BuddyRich I saw your post and now I don't .. what gives?

[BuddyRich]

I was looking at an old link and saw that after I made the post.

[MAINEAC]

I was looking at an old link and saw that after I made the post.

OK cool... That's our social club or whatever it's called but you have to wade thru 10 pages and if you didn't post the link I have a hard time finding that page. It's funny cuz I clicked on your link and hit the back button to respond and your post was gone.

[pegscraper]

Does not the social group thing over there serve the purpose? To find it easily, go to quick links at the top right, down to social groups, and they all come up.

[MAINEAC]

It's 1 thread 10 pages.. It's a PITA... see my last post for clarification.. I already addressed that... try to keep up Peg

[pegscraper]

It's really not that much of a PIA. There are barely two posts a day there, if that. It shouldn't be that difficult for you to keep up. :stickpoke: There's just not that much information to be had. All of it could be mentioned in one single post. There's already nothing going on there. When's the last time you posted anything? Some six pages back. Another whole forum for just one topic? It would be dead.

[MAINEAC]

Toooshaaaay Peg.... But I'm gonna turn it back around on ya... The reason there aren't any posts there is because I'm not the only one that thinks it's a pain in the ass.. You got ten different conversations going on in that one forum over 10 pages.. It's hard to keep track of who's talkin to who...

Another thing is how come this Dark Side request for features is the most posted to the forum since the crash... It also has the most views in history of the Request for Features.. I guess that shows a little interest

[BuddyRich]

As far as total views this thread is 68th on the list of the site with only 35 post. Some of the post don't even pertain to a request for a feature but are about the CT. My biggest concern would be legal issues as far as a forum just for the CT. I think Don said something about that and since he is the one who would be on the wrong end of a suit its best left up to him and on that one I would go with what ever he decides. Suits stink. Would anybody be willing to cough up a thousand a head for Don's defense fund if it came to that ? Is a disclaimer enough, Gonna have to pay a lawyer right off just to find out.

[MAINEAC]

I said it was the most in the "Request for Features" forum... And yes the interest is in the "Car Tire" .. Thank you for re-interating my point...

As far as legalities being the issues... That's a reach... I'd like to see the precident for that... Besides there's enough Car Tire stuff on here already for that to happen... If Delphi doesn't have a problem with that, I don't see how it could happen here... That sounds lika a Law and Order episode I saw the other night... But it was a child molesting murderer that went after a virtual kiddie porn site and it's fiction written by TV writers that are running out of material.

Besides there are enough non stock mods described in detail on this site that if it that were possible it would have happened already...

Buddy you really got to lay off the Law and Order... I had an excuse I'm stuck in Motel 6 with 15 channels on their crummy cable :sign20:

[Freebird]

OK...just so that I won't be accused again of "no response"...I thought I had better respond. I have not really ignored this request and have replied in the Darksiders social group that I would give it some thought. In fact, I have given it a lot of thought and am still on the fence about it. With the proper disclaimers, I'm not really concerned about a lawsuit but even when I added a disclaimer at the top of the social group it upset some people. So.....at the risk of sound indecisive..which I sort of am on this issue..I'll give it some more thought. BUT....I promise a decision within 3 or 4 more days.

[MAINEAC]

Fair enough Don.....but...yes it's a big but

I know what your thinking.. The original or one of the first Dark Side got nasty on both sides of the idea... despite my efforts to diffuse the tension with a couple of yuks... But I think if we can discourage Members who are philosophically opposed to a CT and have never tried it from posting Philosophical Anti CT posts... and encourage both good and bad actual experiences... It's a No-Brainer.. It could make this a much more informed and safer venture for all Venture Riders willing to try this outside the box customization

[BEER30]

I just caught last part of this thread and haven't read the entire thread , but a controversial forum somewhat separated by means of having to log into page , separately from main forum into another forum . Having a disclaimer that they have to read and acknowledge by a prompt check on to log into page , giving the thin skinned people fair warning of it's possible contents . Thought some people take things to much seriously or open their mouths and type into before they proof read their post could upset others , but by forewarning everybody entering into that forum at least has the understanding (hopefully) that these discussion could get their blood pressure up . Just make sure all precautions of "NO name calling" or dirty words are used . I belong to some forums that if you abuse them ,your sent to the reading room , no posting . I believe we already have that feature where we can set a date to when that member can go back to posting . Kinda brings back my childhood when I was "Grounded" :innocent-emoticon:
I know that I can take it as much , if not more dishing it out and not be offended and I can reframe from any name calling . As anybody knows me by now,I don't take things personally over the web . Heck I have been banned from several forums for a lot, lot less from what has already been on this forum . Even told a few forums to "P" up a rope . But this forum is different , it is family . Family always has more differences and scrobbles than a bunch of strangers do . That's what makes it fun !


Just a thought there Boss .

BEER30

[PB&J]

Is it the Darkside site itself or the Car tire issue? Personnally it seems like alot of smoke for nothing? Trikes and sidecars have been using car tires or like tires for years. The first motorcycle tires were car tires.There was no difference thats because most bikes didn't need the cornering clearances that many do today.

I came On a guy a few years ago with a CT on his Valkeryie and loved it. On something like my sidecar the flatter the better because i never use the rounded edge of the bike tire because a sidecar doesn't lean. The problem is my XS1100 has too thin a rim but there are plenty of vintage tires coming out of China for that.

Car tires are great if your riding a cruiser that barrels down the Highway 90% of its life. It puts more rubber to the road. BUT and "IT'S A BIG BUT" It should be made clear to all BEFORE they go to this mod that cornering is alot harder as you try to wheel the bike onto the outer edge of the tire. AND now you've gone from a tire with alot of rubber on the road to alot less as the the bike is leaned up onto the pointed edge of the tire.

For most who've become accustom to this its no big deal Factory bikes like the Vistory with its massive 280 series tires are harder to heel over but again the CT puts more rubber on the flat riding surface most ride. I think as long as these pros and cons are promoted equally then this site should be safe. But if the CT idea is simply promoted as cheap and Looking cool with the apparent loss of traction in hard turns made fully aware to those who might try it then we aren't being fair to the Car Tire idea or those that might like to try it. On a first gen bike i'd not try it because I like the !st gen sport bike like cornering ability. On the 2nd gen more cruiser like that see more highway than Byway it might be much better. Thats my 2 cents

[Freebird]

The problem is, people on BOTH SIDES of this issue do not agree with much of what you just said. That's OK though but the bigger problem is that there are a few folks that seem to take those disagreements to heart and it has turned into nothing but nasty and sarcastic comments back and forth. That is what I don't want to see and that is what a few cannot seem to refrain from doing.

As for the second gens being used mostly for cruising down the freeways, you need to get out and ride with some of us. From what you say, you would be very surprised.

[ctraylor]

Is it leagal in your area to install a car tire on a bike? In this part of Canada it is not. Our local PDs' and the RCMP are stopping and checking most all bikes to check for proper drivers permits and bike alterations and the tires are noted in the memo I saw.....

Recently myself and 536 other riders did a little ride to raise money for Prostate Cancer...... I have tried to attach a link to some of the pictures..... hope it works.

Victoria is realy a small city of a little around 400,000 so to have this many bikes in one place was HUGE. The organizers expected around 250 to join the ride..... Local PD blocked all traffic through our main streets to let us parade..... then we went on a 215km (133 mile) poker run.
http://www.motorcycleridefordad.org/...nt.php?doc=534 (http://www.motorcycleridefordad.org/vis/content.php?doc=534)



400,000 A SMALL CITY!!! Man how big are the towns there? I live in a town of about 25,000 and I thought it was a big city. I must have lived a sheltered life.

[PB&J]

That people seem to attach themselves to their opinions and then take offense when others disagree. I meant no offensive to you or any other 2nd gen'ers that ride their bikes to the tires edge. I feel thats the way any bike should be ridden. What i meant was that SOME people ride with a car tire because MOST of what they do is highway riding where that kind of tire would hold an advantage for them. ( And drag racing. LOL!).

I've ridden with plenty of Wingers and FLH guys in my 35 years of riding to know what a bike is capable of doing I have no doubt that you can take the nice bike of your right to the edge. On a side note , after reading your thread about top speed located a loose plug wire on my 85 and after getting it sorted out took her out for a spin. Rembering your thread i opened her up to see what she's got hit 45-50 in first, had 70 in second then rowed up too fifth and had 95 before I ran out of rouad but i'm sure there was lots more in ther. But the bikes still new to me so I'm going to test her limits in small increments. At least until I can sense the bikes balance and nature a little better. keep up the good work ,by the way i'm really enjoying this sight you've created and the moderators you've pu it place.

[BuddyRich]

Then I'll add this. Why would mounting a CT gets its own forum. Then Don would be asked for a forum on the leveling links then mounting Avons then using flanders bars. It should just be moved to the tech section and called a day.

[BEER30]

I was referring to all controversial subjects in general . If one subject pops upon the main forum , then it could be moved over the DARKSIDE forum , where special login is required . Then if needed , only members whom have showed restraint in the past , or has a sense of humor , or can handle it and is mentally sane can be granted permissions to enter . Then thin skin members can be denied so their feeling do not get hurt , or at least they were warned that it may get rough in there . Still respect each other with no name calling , no dirty words , no nudity , just a warmer conversation . If a topic comes up in main forum , whether it be tires , handlebars , or what type of dress one wears , it's moved over from the main forum to the DS forum . Then those whom say , where did the post go , well it can still be here , just moved over to a safer place from the main forum for those whom wish to still view or take part of .
I believe we are all grown-ups most of the time and should be more mature or at least act like it . But a DS forum would spice it up .

Did I make sense ?

BEER

[Tartan Terror]

Beer I dont think that is neccessary. I want to say this on the car tire issue. As it is as it is there are certain issues that come to mind if somone get hurt doing this. Individuals have the right to choose but need to be informed. No picture this. If this is all over the place and a newbie reads this and all of a sudden something happens who is liable. "Well I saw it on VR. org and there you go. In the world of suing running rampant a nice lawsuit. I support an area that the "Darksiders can discuss this were there is a disclaimer stating it is not recommended to protect the whole site. What I dont want to see is mass recruiting without knowing the risks and laws regarding this issue. I have refrained from posting in this issue as we are all grown and can make choices but keep in mind that both sides need to be represented and new people need to know the risks equally and then if they choose to do this then Good luck to the rider.

[timk]

One concern I would have with a CT on a motorcycle is the modern MC tires have a softer compound on the sides, whereas the CT doesn't. I, myself don't ride real aggressively, but a time or two I've went into a turn too hot, and don't know if I would have the same outcome with a CT. But for those who are comfortable with it, go for it!!

[BEER30]

My comments were for discussion only . Not to say if anyone was told to do it or not or to involve legalities of anything . The term Darkside means any topic in general , not just referring to the CT . My Bad , maybe I should refer this to the "FAR SIDE" rather than the "Dark Side" . I just jumped the gun and was thinking of conversation itself . Didn't read all the way into this thread as see where this was leading into , being I was mislead myself as the forum section was "Request for Features" . So my next question is , "Why are we talking about CT's in a "Request for Features" forum ? Are we asking for a tire changer here ? :stickpoke::stickpoke::think:

BEER30

[Tartan Terror]

My comments were for discussion only . Not to say if anyone was told to do it or not or to involve legalities of anything . The term Darkside means any topic in general , not just referring to the CT . My Bad , maybe I should refer this to the "FAR SIDE" rather than the "Dark Side" . I just jumped the gun and was thinking of conversation itself . Didn't read all the way into this thread as see where this was leading into , being I was mislead myself as the forum section was "Request for Features" . So my next question is , "Why are we talking about CT's in a "Request for Features" forum ? Are we asking for a tire changer here ? :stickpoke::stickpoke::think:

BEER30



No Beer they want a place as Linda Richman would say " Talk amongst themselves!!"

[BEER30]

No Beer they want a place as Linda Richman would say " Talk amongst themselves!!"
First off , who is Linda Richman ?
Secondly , retract all I have said and let them get each others phone # and let them BS in private ! :nanner:

BEER30

[Freebird]

OK folks, I have added a forum named Darksiders. PLEASE READ THE STICKY. I had really mixed feelings about adding this area due to the fact that I have seen already that some people cannot seem to discuss this issue without resorting to personal attacks and sarcasm toward other members. It is very simple, it will not be allowed and if it does then that area will not be here for long.

[MAINEAC]

Thanks Don... I think we can act like Grown Ups

[Squeeze]

Thanks Don... I think we can act like Grown Ups



Wouldn't THAT qualify for an Oxymoron ?? Riding CT on a Bike and act like an Adult ?





:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:


No Offense, just kidding .... :bighug:

[Black Owl]

Okay,

I have been following the threads concerning installing a car tire on a motorcycle since the discussion first came up. One thing really confuses me. Even more so when we have questions raised about mixing tires on the scoot.

So, my question is, "Why are they only running the car tire on the rear wheel?"

:15_8_211[1]:

[GigaWhiskey]

Ok, now we need a clarification of the DarkSide.

Is it;

1. Someone that rides a 2nd Gen?
-or-
2. Someone using a CT on a bike?

I always understood that coming or going to the DarkSide was when you owned or on your way to owning a 2nd gen.

Not that it really matters, I just like to appear to know what I am talking about when I do talk about it.

[wizard]

There are folks riding car tires on both ends. I bought my Metzler front tire before I bought my rear tire, At the time I was more concerned with the mileage I was getting on the rear tire. I'm getting twice the mileage on the front tire as I was with the rear. My next front tire will probably be a radial tire, if I can get good mileage from it.

[Black Owl]

There are folks riding car tires on both ends. I bought my Metzler front tire before I bought my rear tire, At the time I was more concerned with the mileage I was getting on the rear tire. I'm getting twice the mileage on the front tire as I was with the rear. My next front tire will probably be a radial tire, if I can get good mileage from it.

Thanks. Any handling issues you noted with the CT on the front end?

:15_8_211[1]:

[thebighop]

Ok, now we need a clarification of the DarkSide.

Is it;

1. Someone that rides a 2nd Gen?
-or-
2. Someone using a CT on a bike?

I always understood that coming or going to the DarkSide was when you owned or on your way to owning a 2nd gen.

Not that it really matters, I just like to appear to know what I am talking about when I do talk about it.

For the purpose of this particular forum...it is someone that runs a CT...
I have been riding Ventures since 1983, and when I bought my 99 I didn't think I was entering the DarkSide...I thought I was stepping up....
But then I loved both generations equally, for what each offers....
I don't play 1st and 2nd...I ride...on a CT...period.

[thebighop]

Thanks. Any handling issues you noted with the CT on the front end?

:15_8_211[1]:

I'll kick this off, and we'll see where it lands...
I ran CT's front and back on my 54 Harley Hydra Glide. I cornered like a tank, but back then we weren't into the Dragons Tail attitude...and the bikes and riders weren't
really cut out for that anyway....not like riders and their machines are today...
I wasn't too concerned with dragging my floor boards...still ain't into it, but I never had a problem with the CT on the front of that bike...
I don't know how a RSV would do with one...for starters, I am not too sure you'd find a narrow enuff 16 inch tire to really make using a CT on the front practical...But I really don't see any reason why it wouldn't work and last for 40K miles if you could find one that fit the criteria....

BTW...I would take my RSV with the CT on the back nose to nose with any RSV running a MT through the twisties and prove that mine either paced as well or even better through them...I have never been able to lay the bike over as far with an MT as I can now with a CT...it's just freakin wild, how much better the bike corners and takes tight curves with the CT...